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General DiscussionIn need of serious healthy criticism for improvement and day to day h...

In need of serious healthy criticism for improvement and day to day help for my MMR in General Discussion
FadE

    Hi guys first time i've posted here, ive been reading alot in these forums and articles for the past few years, Been playing DOTA 1 and reached the highest rank in LoL when there was no Dota 2 yet, but now Its been 2 years since ive played dota 2 and i feel like im doing something wrong on the important aspect of the game, Im still young (17) and ive got dreams been studying alot with high grades but im trying to may be somehow get good and get a future in the game, I think i am stuck in a circle trying to understand the bracket i am stuck with, if u can see my profile i am currently at 4k5 highest point i got was 4900, the problem is its hard to swallow and take a L and call it a day that leads me to more lose when an ally intentionally feed just because u miss 1 creep, and i think it affects my next games greatly, I believe that playing my role since dota 1 days which is Pos1/Carry is my way to go because i have friends that are on top 1000 divine 5 and i can clearly play matches with them easily, but when it comes to 4k matches i am talking too much and it sometimes get in my game. I know i make mistakes too i am not perfect but if someone can help me figure out how to deal with different players especially when they team feed and speak different languages to trashtalk you. And maybe some insights on how i can play my game more efficiently thank you! I truly believe that if someone can lead me to the right way i can get to 5-6k maybe for just a few weeks because when i get a normal match daily i have like 60-80% winrate on my past 20games by checking dotabuff and other sites such as opendota. BTW i am playing on SEA server i know that it has bad reputation but im broke and im struggling to be better i cant play on other servers due to lag but dont worry im good on studies so if you guys are gonna tell me quit dota and go for other life problems dont worry im handling them too :) so please help!

    Tribo

      86% CORE

      K.

      FadE

        Hello tribo, is 86% core bad?

        Tribo

          I don't know, ask yourself?

          FadE

            People always give me the lane, and when they want to go for a core too i just roll or we compare for stats most of the times they give it but when people dont really want i opt for offlane instead is that bad?

            FadE

              https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3905109433
              https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3902008706
              https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3901702578
              https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3901423434
              https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3896567453

              ive played quite decent supports this week and i can honestly say if u look at my stats that my average games played per day is like 7-10 games so i think thats why i got 86% core, and judging by my winratess on them they are well aboard the 60-55%winrate which involves my luna and jugg actually on top 100 on opendota idk if it counts, if you look at me as someone that doesnt play supp then i can tell you u are wrong, i dont go jungle when i dont get safelane, they let me pick other lanes otherwise, and when i see guys with low matches higher mmr than me i always let them play the lane. If you dont have any good response please stop replying thank you

              Javad

                Instead of criticising, i'll suggest strongly u go search in net about psychological stuff that would help u boost urself instead of asking others. Also success books, the principles straight out work on dota too, like any other area

                idk if u'd take this srsly or be like naaah pass but well from personal experience these stuff boost it mentality and actions both

                Wukz

                  just quickly skimming over your games, you die way too much for a core only player.
                  take less risks, play controlled dota

                  love scars / you hurt me

                    just keep hitting creeps and u'll get there

                    Free 2 Play Scootz

                      Sounds like u just need to start playing more.

                      Eddie

                        Don't ask for advice on dotabuff that's the worst thing you can possible do as you can see from the above replies. Bitcoin had something to say though

                        FadE

                          yes I agree with Bitcoin on his comment, that's what happens when i get to lose over games that i dont suppose to lose and it makes me feel bad on the next games, like how i lost a 26/9 spectre game, is the only way to prevent these games is to stop and take a break for the day?

                          Kluckmuck

                            meta changes, a 26/9 match doesn't mean u're winning nowadays

                            FadE

                              agreed, 70y how many games do you usually play everyday? and how can you tell if you badly need to stop?

                              GTX

                                stop being tilted with team/all chat! u have to deal with different kind of people's character.
                                the outcome is depend on how u react to them.
                                u are in vhs bracket...so i guess ur problem is on the mental side! not on mechanical things.
                                take a break after 3 losing streak ranked mm game. calm ur self, u can go watch the replays what went wrong.

                                FadE

                                  ok ok thanks im trying that right now currently 2-1 today

                                  PrizmIzOld

                                    From your recent games I can see that you die a lot. You shouldnt really feed on a core role, especially in this patch.

                                    Feachairu

                                      hi i'm 88% core

                                      jokes aside,just learn a lane,watch minimap better(so you can stop dying) if you playing core

                                      FadE

                                        hi guys yep i really noticed that i died a lot on my past games, can you guys help me how to prevent deaths especially when the other lane goes 0/10 while im 0-1 on my lane that leads to more deaths trying to defend our base, do u have a proper strategy i sometimes go rat while 4 of my teammates defend but most of the time its not enough because they can get 3 megas alrdy

                                        Wukz

                                          learn item timings, power spikes of your hero and push advantages when you can. If you are ahead, play your advantage and build it - if you are behind, do plays/countermoves in such a way so you can get even/advantage again.
                                          Generally after 15ish minutes into the game, your safelane typically isnt safe anymore and you should be rotating to farm elsewhere, place a ward at radiant shrine and take radiant bot t1 tower and farm those 2 camps + your ancients and your shrine camps (considering you are Dire) Vice versa if you are radiant

                                          FadE

                                            Bitcoin, thats what ive been doing but idk how can i do those for example i have early advantage luna and with a team of omni and shaman, i keep telling them to push t1 towers but they dont want to stick, eclipse + serpents + omni is not enough? :( sometimes people just dont want to cooperate should i continue to farm instead?

                                            Wukz

                                              https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3905796481

                                              If you are talking about this game, you never really had an advantage - with Luna you need to snowball and farm alot as its one of the fastest farming heroes in the game - eclipse + rhasta wards isnt that great vs PL, you need alot of farm on Luna

                                              To answer your question, yes mate - continue to farm

                                              /edit, forgot to say - item/hero timings as mentioned previously
                                              Your tinker needed aghanims, you needed BKB
                                              You got Dragon lance at 13minutes and manta at 28minutes - thats 320GPM during those 15minutes where you were barely not farming at all and my guess is just mindlessly running towards towers and losing teamfights, causing them to spike their advantage even more

                                              /edit 2, https://prnt.sc/jmfmi9

                                              First level of Q at lvl 9?

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                                              FadE

                                                ive been doing that skill build for quite awhile, gain me alot of mmr by doing it and i think it gave me a top 50 luna in rankings, hence the good winrate on my luna, it usually works but for that game idk because even if i get lucent not a singel supp go to my lane so why bother thats my opinion on it
                                                they left me on proceed to go to top thats why pl got 18 kills :(
                                                https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3912681233

                                                how about this sir can u help me?

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                                                Wukz

                                                  after watching your skillbuild all hope is lost.
                                                  enjoy your top 50 luna bro

                                                  睡眠-

                                                    cokkie used to do that same luna build tbh, and i ofc copy it too. it just farms so fast... but ppl usually pick luna coz eclipse owns teh early teamfights

                                                    take lvl 1 q earlier though, it is very useful for the value point (you can interrupt enemy spell cast animations and lasthit distant range creeps that would get denied otherwise).

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                                                    Wukz

                                                      its so bad in so many ways I'm not gonna bother to explain it, the offlaner is going to have the time of his life

                                                      Jacked

                                                        Keep playing core if that's what you're good at

                                                        FadE

                                                          as i said bitcoin i was playing like an offlaner that time thats why i didnt get lucent, the 2 supports just helping omni on top and keep on dying idk why they do that

                                                          FadE

                                                            i was solo bot lane

                                                            FadE

                                                              and i am fully aware on what u said about the offlaner getting the time of his life but i dont actually get glaives on early levels not until im lvl 5, that makes me easy to control lane so honestly offlaner dont get farm at all too

                                                              Jacked

                                                                Skill build differences are very polarising even for TOP tier players. It just shows you how much builds matter sometimes. Not much when you factor in playstyle and how different players approach laning.

                                                                FadE

                                                                  ^ totally agreed u dont always need lucent beam and eclipse especially when no one is around u to back u up
                                                                  https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3913177305
                                                                  another example of how people suck in this bracket i did my best here -_-

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                                                                  Wukz

                                                                    Why are you lying? Stats doesent lie, I checked the last 10 luna games you've played and all of which you've had level 3 glaives at level 5, with no points in Q.
                                                                    All of these games the offlaner has had VERY good farm, don't ask for healthy criticism if you're gonna find up an excuse while you go - then proceed to ignore the criticsm that's coming your way.

                                                                    You can't control the lane with 3 levels in glaives at level 5, not possible.

                                                                    "Another example of why people suck in this bracket" if you have that mentality you will never climb, if you want to find a way to climb and improve, realize you are the issue and your plays are the issue.

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                                                                    FadE

                                                                      If u read my past comments i was telling u im not putting glaives lvl 5 instantly, my skill only consists of lunar blessing mainly for controlling lane, i dont get glaives its common sense u really cant control with even a level 1 glaive thats why i have skill points reserved so if my teammate decide to engage i can immediately put it on lucent or if i have a passive lane i can ill get glaives and proceed to kill the stacks that ive asked for which as i can see most of the time gives me atleast 5 levels advantage on the enemy carry making 30minute games

                                                                      FadE

                                                                        https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3905886740
                                                                        https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3905796481
                                                                        https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3905588383
                                                                        https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3902055887
                                                                        Ive won 6/4 of my past luna games, and if you are gonna check the matches you would notice similar things such as 2/14 0/10 offlaners and supports 4/15 2/9 4/16 6/13 2/18 supports and offlaners, because all of them try to gank a safelane carry leaving me solo on the lane thus making PL SLARK JUGG with 17/2 18/3 22/3 12/5 respectively. If i take lucent while supports are busy feeding while "trying" to help an offlane which is i dont understand the logic, what would i use lucent with then creeps on bot lane? As i said i dont get glaives instantly only when i get madness to flash farm when they leave me so it leaves me with 2 lunar blessing and 2 skill points for reserve. Thats what i am asking for help, how to deal with those kind of things, do you join them trying to kill the enemy safelane while sacrificing farm or you continue to flash farm despite them dying and dying arrogantly on the enemy safelane

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                                                                        FadE

                                                                          https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3905886740

                                                                          this was the only match where an offlaner actually got a good score (5/3) while on the 3 other loses they were (2/5, 4/8, 7/5), on the other hand their carries were as i posted on my last comment 17/2 18/3 22/3 12/5. What am i suppose to do on these kind of situations where 2 (wannabe pos4 even though 1 should clearly stay on the lane) leave safelane and try to gank mid and enemy safelane but fail miserably?

                                                                          FadE

                                                                            And if you were going to look at the wins, most of them would clearly show you that i atleast have 7-10k networth advantage or even double the networth vs the enemy carry. And you would clearly see that even tho atleast 2 of the games that the offlane has decent items, it wouldnt matter because if i have double the networth of the carry what more to the offlane right?

                                                                            https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3905699140 LC IS 11/9 15k networth AM is 4/7 18.2k networth while my luna is sitting at 32.6k which led to a win

                                                                            https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3903229340 5/10 BB 15k networth 11/7 jugg 19.4k while my luna has 24k networth

                                                                            https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3896802181 4/7 Veno 10.8k and OD 11/4 14.4k Luna 23.3k networths

                                                                            https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3891374820 5/10 Doom 11.5k Networth with a 10/7 pl 15.3k net while im sitting comfortably at 28k networth

                                                                            As u said stats dont lie and the similarities on how i win 60% of my luna games is that they involve people dying less than 10 on an average luna game of 40minutes. How can u say they u checked my past 10 games and the offlaner had a good farm? If u think of it that way maybe u can try checking the scores of their carries where i lost the matches, 17/2 18/3 22/3 12/5 so yeah they could ride the momentum they've gained by my feeding supports which will lead them to more networth? So what is the best way to deal with those kind of situations because when someone is 7-0 and u are 0-1 but both of you have the same networth and level but your allies still are clearly trying to kill and kill the 7-0 which leads him to more and more kills making a game lose?

                                                                            FadE

                                                                              So these were my points
                                                                              1. I dont instantly get glaives on level 5, i keep 3 skill points reserved and 2 on lunars blessing so i can control creep efficiently, when my supp decide to kill i instantly get level 3 lucent beam but that rarely happens idk why
                                                                              2. Stats dont lie offlane and supp feed = lose
                                                                              3. There even came a point where i had like 72/72 last hit and deny ratio that with the support of my supports we locked down offlaner 10minutes on level 1 leaving him with no exp and gold. That is because i dont really get glaives INSTANTLY, i just save skill points so i can be flexible depending on the situation because pressing ctrl Q to up a skill point doesnt take minutes it only takes seconds so u have time to react when your supports engage and want a kill

                                                                              FadE

                                                                                I agree on you that, you cant control a lane with level 3 glaives, its just like a sven with a cleave passive no way in hell u gonna control that.

                                                                                FadE

                                                                                  @Bitcoin if you have spare time can i add you on steam and help me out while trying to atleast spectate one of my games? It would really help me ive been checking your matches too and they really look nice

                                                                                  Nervous Bakedown

                                                                                    I'm not good at all, but I've been getting better so take this with a grain of salt. Figure out BSJ's deadlane. Ik it's a meme, but its helped me understand why I die where I do, how to efficiently farm, and it's increased my gpms by a lot. Again I'm trash, but that deadlane Shit is great