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General DiscussionDoes valve intentionally match me up with lower win rate people to ke...

Does valve intentionally match me up with lower win rate people to keep me in lower bracket? in General Discussion
here we go again

    This is a serious issue i have faced. If my win rate gets above 52 percent. Valve matchmaking system goes on retard mode. I get match up with people of 40 percent win rate or so. They feed. I flame. I loose mmr.
    Any solutions?

    Wukz

      It's a part of the user experience, the trench never ends.

      LowTi3RGoD

        No
        You’re just shit
        Get good and you’ll move up

        MuLLi

          Maybe too many heroes in roster and not mastering em?!? Try to spam 500 games with one and then move to second and spam 500 between these changes of hero play BOT games with this new hero until your fingers remember skills. Its not a shame to play couple hundred BOT games now and then. In bot games u can flame and rage quit if u play solo not cooperative games

          Inflation Agent

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ELy-8iM7TI
            Player base in dota is low nowadays, the time period you decide to play determines what type of players you'll get

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            Tu tayta

              I just want to fool around in Turbo matches, why is Valve pairing me against Immortals?

              MuLLi

                Yeah I have noticed same thing! At night winning is harder than at afternoons. So if u play always at nights and win u might be immortal top 100 player even u have herald medal :D

                MuLLi

                  tbh night times is infested of boosters/smurfs and toxic

                  Potato PC

                    winrate =/= skill

                    Jacked

                      its not a conspiracy.

                      here we go again

                        @wukz is there anyway to break this loop?

                        🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

                          if that were true boosters/smurfs wouldn't have 90%+ winrate on average in your bracket. To me it just looks like a confirmation bias.

                          <darth>

                            Just look at my profile, I have climbed from 600 mmr to 2.3k now SOLO, by just watching YouTube and pro players play. There is nothing like bad mm or anything it's all about you.

                            here we go again

                              There is nothing like bad match making?
                              Lol i climbed from 400 to 2540. in around 2k matches. When a retard kid with 400 matches who got calibrated same mmr as you comes in takes mid and only knows how to play one hero mid like a sniper/injoker. Picks it first. Loose mid. Blame everyone else because he cant position as a sniper or injoker. That is bad matchmaking. I think valve should work on the system and match players on basis of time played as well.

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                                BTW. You are one of those people who says they cant support because they don't know how :)

                                Yumi

                                  Dude there's no loop man. It just means that your skill is the same as your medal. System working as intended

                                  MuLLi

                                    Having boosters with only 90% win rate means they run into tard MM 10% of time so the mm-trap is true :D

                                    MuLLi

                                      Think the situation where 6k booster loses in 2,5k game when he got mid??? Must be some odd MM!

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                                        So check my last 3 games.
                                        1st game as storm . I take mid. I lane against tinker and invoker together. Dont die. My bb feeds 15 times to tb. He takes top and 2 mid towers. Boom game over.
                                        2nd game i pick clinkz ask to go safelane, slark wont agree. I take offlane against spectre. Take his tower in 8 mins i guess. Out last hit him in denies. But in meantime. My team has died and fed over 30 times in under 10 mins. I tried to save other lanes. But no luck there.
                                        3rd game. I pick clinkz safelane. Lane against a dual lane. Win the lane. But my mk and mid doesn't stop feeding. I even try to support to prolong the game a bit so my storm can get items. But eventually they have 2 supports. I get 0 farm in meantime. And they run over us and sniper just disconnects and comes back after 4 minutes and 55 seconds. And says why you didnt pause.
                                        I just fucking wanna win a game decently. But every single game. My team is letting me down. I am confused.
                                        You are saying there is no loop. Literally see your previous matches, i am sorry you are dumb enough not to notice. It is like valve trying to keep you hooked to the game for longer times. If everyone gained mmr so quickly. No one would play it anymore i guess.

                                        G-zooz

                                          Haha

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                                            @yumi system works as intended if your team doesnt feed. I saw your games you can only play meepo decently and if it is banned there is a 90 percent chance you loose :). The games you are winning is the other team feeding you blindly. :P

                                            MuLLi

                                              Maybe u too need to spam same hero more to master the play. U seems to not have any hero above others in W%

                                              gitgudfewg

                                                Instead of accepting the fact that youre a noob, instead you mock other player for spamming hero. Sad life archon 1 after 2.5++ games

                                                IXXI

                                                  Looks to me like you just suck at clinkz

                                                  mynhauzen

                                                    @dont it is working as intended. Look at your game as phoenix - 1 10. Someone blamed you for losing that game. 3 7 clinkz. 2 8 storm. You're ruining those games for other players. Other players might say - why the heck do I get to play with newbies like this clinkz, phoenix, or storm? You deserve your mmr. Once you'll learn how to kill people in your mmr, you'll climb.

                                                    i'm 100% sure if you were to give your account to Miracle, he'll win 50 games in a row.

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                                                    Marshall may have Mathered

                                                      Ur team is the biggest factor look at me I only got to ancient (which is for top 1% lc jungle players) by having good luck with my team

                                                      Eddie

                                                        Yes, they do match you with lower winrate people (mostly after you have a win streak or have won games). I have noticed it countless times, and the only way you can rise up really fast is if you are way more skilled than your current mmr. So don't worry about it.

                                                        ETd

                                                          You’re on a good winstreak? You are tested to see if you’re worth that winstreak. You can’t just expect that you get the most positive, cooperative and skilled players all the time, while the enemy team gets all the trash. Sometimes, you’ll be in the team with toxics. If you can play through that and win, you’re good enough to keep climbing. I’ve won games where teammates were purposely blocking camps and walking down mid.

                                                          SEA ranked #1 Feeder KEK

                                                            Its true my divine dog shit frens cant even carry my team after we won 5 games in a row

                                                            here we go again

                                                              To the guy who said i suck at clinkz you can see my very next game as clinkz. In which my team didnt feed. :)
                                                              You neglect the fact that dota is a 5v5. And if one of your 5 teammates are weak, your game is 90 percent lost before it even started.
                                                              And the reason i was 1/10 on phoenix was everytime i used my ulti and egg. My team litreally ran away from me instead of fighting under it. Lol. Sniper gets trashed mid feeds 6 times in 4 mins then abandons the game later on. :)

                                                              @mynhauzen the fact that you said i ruined the games for other people. I am sure you never saw those matches before actually commenting like a dumb person :). You can check the replay and figure out what happened in that game.
                                                              You counted my deaths 1/10 as a support against bs and windranger, but you forgot to see the huskar 4/15 or sniper 1/10 or pudge 5/10. They are my cores right so they are supposed to carry or should i be miraculously play as a position 6 support and carry the games. Win my lane and save mid and then win it and save top and win top as well? Lol you only have 8 percent games as a support so i dont expect you to understand especially when you are amongst those who last pick mage or 2nd mid :).........

                                                              PS i can bet my ass on the fact that even miracle cannot win 50 matches straight on my account.
                                                              Prove me wrong!!:) Change my mind.

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                                                              Kotato

                                                                And if one of your 5 teammates are weak

                                                                why u talk about yourself, bro :D

                                                                PS On your account and in your bracket any good player will have 50 games winstreak

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                                                                here we go again

                                                                  So if i am tested to be on a win streak that just proves my point yet again :)
                                                                  The original post is correct and i just gotta deal with this.

                                                                  Vertoxity

                                                                    You just suck, get better and you'll enjoy Dota more

                                                                    Kotato

                                                                      can u win 50 matches straight?

                                                                      here we go again

                                                                        Can you win 50 matches straight?

                                                                        Eddie

                                                                          Dude of course miracle can win with atleast 80% winrate in your account, the 20% losses for unavoidable stuff like DC and intentional ruiners. Like I said, the only way you can climb REALLY fast is if you're WAY Above your current skill bracket. Why you stressing so much? Nothing is going to change in your real life if you get a better badge/rank. Just have fun and fuck around man, dota is the best game for that.

                                                                          Gurin Jeimuzu

                                                                            It's not completely unfounded what youre saying, as the matchmaking is probably pulling you in to balance out a team. Only once you get past certain thresholds or lines of resistance (for graph nerds out there) that you'll clearly break out your bracket. Poster above (Eddie) is right in the sense that you only climb quickly if youre way above the level of play around you, otherwise its a slow grind that can sometimes even be towards a steady decline.

                                                                            most importantly, just enjoy your games. It makes winning and losing much better

                                                                            Pubby

                                                                              The system is designed to keep you around 50% win rate. That is the purpose of mmr.

                                                                              flourishing new leaf

                                                                                That is NOT the purpose of MMR! ^

                                                                                And that is also the main reason the current MM system is fucked up

                                                                                mynhauzen

                                                                                  Ofc, miracle can easily win 100% of his games in 1-4k. I watch a lot of streams by Stray (stray224), ubiycanoobov, vaxa, alta. All win 95% of their games in the stream. Check a player called NeptuN. It was played by a 6.2k mmr booster who rarely plays now. I believe the owner is playing now, but check his win rate with arc warden. 80.5% for a 6K mmr player in divine 5. I also watched a booster tourney, where stray, ubiyca, and alta were competing for ~$3k to boost accounts until 4k from 0k. A person getting faster with lowest amount of lost games gets the prize. Alta won it in with ~15 games lost. Others lost ~15-20 games. Their real accounts are around 6k. Ofc, miracle can win 100% of his games from 0-4k. He's 50 times better than any of them.

                                                                                  Also, yes. You ruin your games. You are the reason you lose. Not others. And yes, I play mostly with carries, but my highest win rate is for supports. I just play one hero who is not support. And no, I don't 1st pick am or go mid with another ally. That's nonsense.

                                                                                  Sanft & Sorgfältig

                                                                                    Its 100% Not about the time you are playing, sinply becuz enemy Team plays at the same time.

                                                                                    Tu tayta

                                                                                      Ah, finally Valve has stopped matching my stack against fucking immortals.

                                                                                      Jacked

                                                                                        There is no bad match making. If the 400 game noob picks mid and loses mid, it’s your fault. I always go mid anyway and double mid if I have to. Do what you gotta do to win the game my Brother.

                                                                                        In this case, I’m the 200 game noob going mid and risking my teammates mmr.

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                                                                                        IXXI

                                                                                          I played on my friend's crusader account and brought it to legend 1 with 80%+ win rate with over 50 games obviously. So yeah, it's you.

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                                                                                            Hupples

                                                                                              simple

                                                                                                That's you get <50% win rate with high medal.

                                                                                                viznr

                                                                                                  Not hating or anything, but you can't really expect good people in herald. Most people in the low bracket just lack the knowledge or the efficient plays that people in the higher bracket know how to do. Watching a lot of videos in youtube and the like will definitely help you improve and know what are the things you can improve on.

                                                                                                  Mode : TOPSON

                                                                                                    Actually its kinda true that you will get bad teammates after some winstreak

                                                                                                    But the difference is not really that great you still can win that unwinnable games

                                                                                                    https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4071082367

                                                                                                    ^ in this games my mid mirana 100% lose against sniper and feed him 4 kiils
                                                                                                    Am doing some farming simulator
                                                                                                    Dark willow lagging
                                                                                                    But im still win in this games. Why?

                                                                                                    Because i didnt fucking care about my teammates at all whether if they helpful great if not ok

                                                                                                    Just ask yourself HOW to stop enemy for killing my team
                                                                                                    HOW to kill enemy
                                                                                                    And lastly HOW to destroy enemy ancient and win the game

                                                                                                    I wish this is helpful. Peace haters gonna hate

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                                                                                                    Northway

                                                                                                      psssssh, archon player

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                                                                                                        The only broken mode is party mm. Solo is quite balanced (if u have a good behavior score.