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General Discussion1k games are harder than 3k.

1k games are harder than 3k. in General Discussion
SayingPleaseHelps

    people who play since around beginning of dota2 actually started ~5k right

    Try actually being coherent will you? What does "start" mean here? Are you talking about ranked MMR after first calibration? Are you talking hidden MMR after joining DOTA 2 for the first time? Are you talking out of your ass?

    you dont have to answer this nonsense beef anyway, she told me she never thought that a 1v9 in 3k was any easier than 1v9 in 1k, thats all i need to know to base my opinion about this post.
    OP has told literally everyone what they think about 1k and 3k in their OP. That's public knowledge at this point. You choosing to delude yourself alongside them because you had a personal converstaion is irrelevant, since OP has not actually changed their tune.

    and the fuck, if your highest winrate hero is an exclusively support, i sure as hell classify you as a support player.
    crazy stuff right?
    And the fuck, if you have no functional brain, then I would classify you as a moron, k? OP has two support heroes in their top 10 with comparable numbers among all 10, never plays support when playing solo and is a deluded moron just like yourself. Using dotabuff features before talking shit? Nah, too hard for your purgatory for thought of a brain.

    Honestly, you might want to check some basic logic out. Would help you a lot. Probably. There is no such skill as carrying 1k noobs. And everyone who is good at dota is good at carrying 1k noobs. Every single high MMR player who has ever made a smurf to climb has carried it out of the gutter at the rocket speed. Of course for ignoramuses such as .purgatory who lack the very basics of understanding what statistics are it is going to sound bizarre, but as you become better at DOTA you become better at winning DOTA. Therefore at carrying 1k noobs, which is but a subcategory of winning.

    Being unable to consistently carry 1k games does make you, as a matter of fact, a 1k player. Not trash, 1k. E.g.: OP.

    EX Crusader player

      i never said it would be hard, but its a fact that people who havent needed to actually 1v9 in their recent memory might fail to 1v9 even in 1k at some point.

      Dude, you're so fucking wrong. First, it's not 1v9. That concept is just wrong, here's how 1v9 Dota looks like:

      https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4262680931

      3 players afk-farming jungle. However, keep in mind that it doesn't really happen more than once in a span of 15-20 games. It's really not a big deal.

      More often, you will play something like this: https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4262789037

      Even while playing on auto-pilot mode, you will be able to contrubute a lot just because you're 3k mmr above them.

      And srsly, stop with all the "you need to know how to play against 1ks, because 1ks are special snowflakes and therefore a special treatment needs to be applied". No. Just no. Fucking no. 1ks are bad and all you have to do is play better than them. 95% of the time it's a normal 5v5 game in which, actually, quite often, enemy 1k players give up after you kill few times their mid.

      its true, not just in dota but in many other games as well. carrying 1ks is a skill on its own and, while necessary to climb, is not something you will ever use in actual high mmr gameplay

      Are you being for real or just trying to troll us? I'm deadly not sure. There's not a pattern to win 1k mmr games. All you have to do is out-play enemy and slowly kill them. You will use the same paterns/same game knowledge in literally higher-skilled games aswell, and if you're not capable of executing them in 1k mmr, that means you will actually struggle in higher-brackets in a long run, for sure.

      You are literally making things up, talking about some random shit while you have no clue what are you actually talking about, this is just your own delusional scenario in which you're trying to defend delusional OP, which probably reflects towards your own attidude (probably sturggling in your own bracket, and u dont want to improve, so u gotta find a reason why you're stuck)

      however it IS extremely important you learn to do this as a new player because it is the best way to learn how to abuse your lead and play around your win conditions, and so on. - extremely important stuff for a developing dota player).

      And now you're literally saying quite the oposite. What a fucking hypocrisy. So, while it's important for Dota player to learn these things, it's apparently not necessary for high-mmr plays? You're literally out of your mind, I'm srsly hoping that you're just trolling or defending this sad human being called ParmaViolets, I can understand then, because she can get under your skin quite easily.. :)

      which, by the way, perfectly explains why you suck at 4k but own in 1k - being good at carrying 1k trash does not make you good at dota!! just like being unable to carry 1k trash, on its own, doesnt make you by default completely bad at the game.

      No, you silly boi. It doesn't explain why I suck at 4k. The reason why I suck at 4k is because while being almost 4.7k a month ago, i've reached my peak and was unable to proceed the climb unless I learn more, change my flaws that are way more abusable against high 4k players than against 3k/low 4k players. Unable to carry 1k trash makes you pretty much 1k, does it mean the person who's uncapable of doing that bad? Yes it does. Does it mean she can't get better and learn how to play the actual game? No it doesn't.

      EX Crusader player

        I'm srsly triggered by the amount of non-sense written in the last page of this thread. Funny enough, I'd even go a step beyond and say that even ParmaViolets doesn't agree with bullshit you just wrote, fucking LOL. D:

        Feachairu

          rip arin

          babylonia story is pretty good

          btw i just skimmed the whole argument,i'm not a support player
          when i was just 3,5k(pt mmr 4k ish~) one of my friend asked me to boost his 2k acc to 3k(just for some games,it was 2,8 something)

          i play aa and roamed the whole country of my enemy team and went dagon at minute 15 or something,got like too much kill by ks ing and solo carrying all the potatoes( i kind of forgot,i think it was tranquil veil dagon or tranquil force dagon)

          just imagine what will 5k support player will do,i dont even understand jack shit about supporting even now

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          SayingPleaseHelps

            You may want to keep in mind that this .purgatory character is one of those featured in the amazing "chat logs". The expectation of nothing meaningful should be there when talking to them from the get go.

            EX Crusader player

              ^

              The issue he doesn't understand jack shit about anything, but pulls the conclusions out of his ass, either becuase she's trying to defend ParmaViolets or he's just that delusional, nothing else I suppose.

              DC.MASON

                rip arin

                babylonia story is pretty good

                atm like 1/3 of my youtube suggestions are fgo videos with servant reviews or voice lines
                i'd like to get a smartphone and actually play it but i can't really justify the purchase by just wanting to play gacha games, especially when i have 0 income and i'm living from savings

                DC.MASON

                  can we make this a nasuverse thread now? original topic was probably fun at first but you're all being pretty stupid and embarassing atm

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                  SayingPleaseHelps

                    original topic was probably fun

                    You have strange views on Elo Hell threads from delusional narcissists.

                    DC.MASON

                      i'm one of them

                      SayingPleaseHelps

                        Was that supposed to contest my point or reinforce it?

                        SayingPleaseHelps

                          I would expect you to know, but sure thing, feel free to spread some mindless shitposting here.

                          ubica
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                            ubica

                              Maybe I am delusional, because I certainly myself have made this kind of a thread in the past.
                              The key idea here is...
                              the ratio, how many games you must win 1 against 5(9) to reliably be able to win - opposite to - properly balanced dota matches where both teams have a similar amount of skill

                              in lower ranks, you need to 1v5 at least half the time, but you can achieve 100% win rate if you're good enough - reaching your true mmr, by the way, supposedly grants you fairer matches where your contribution on average needs to be 1/5 of your teams (based per game ofc some games supps do all the work and carry just farm and pushes, or the entire team relies on the single carry to keep the game together) in order to maintain a consistent 50% win rate (of course, while doing your absolute best; understanding this makes pro matches even more impressive and worth the hype they get).

                              I would suggest to cease further response regarding off topic bait or even lock the topic entirely.

                              edited the start of 2nd paragraph for the sake of correctness and clarity

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                              EX Crusader player

                                Maybe I am delusional, because I certainly myself have made this kind of a thread in the past.

                                You are buddy. You have to ditch off that attidude, srsly.

                                the ratio, how many games you must win 1 against 5(9) to reliably be able to win - opposite to - properly balanced dota matches where both teams have a similar amount of skill

                                I mean, it's called competitive for a reason. Many people experience competitive environment based upon their own metrics and ideas, and because of that fall into well known dunning-kruger effect.

                                What's 1v5 to you, might be completely fine match to someone else. Because the criteria for your best competitive environment must be quite different compared to mine(for example):

                                You coinsider it to be a perfect world in which you get to choose the role(preferably pos 1 or 2, cuz that's what people are entilted to most of the times), then, not only that, but picking the hero that might not be best choice in some specific draft just because you like it or you coinsider yourself to be able to play against counters and then fail.

                                Quite often, people will even get role/hero and still complain because of many other factors: supports didn't ward, your SpiritBreaker (for example) dying too many times, your Antimage feeding every time/etc.

                                And they'll coinsider that game to be 1v5, while failing to realise that no one is entilted to your own opinion but yourself, meaning that you have really low chance of actually being the leader of that match(making people listen to you), because:

                                You tilted them from the start, because you maybe took their role to begin with, forcing them to play support/offlane, for example. Then, you died here and there, made some questionable plays yourself (if you think you're perfect player this shit is of no use to you, btw), and slowly but surely you reach the peak of the chaos - called tilting and not giving a fuck about your team mates, therefore makeing a game 1v5 in your head, while failing to realise it's your fault aswell.

                                Now the difference between you who does that ( for example ) and someone else, is going to be consistency and raw/pure skill.

                                While boosters/high mmr players tend to tilt 1ks/2ks/3ks/4ks aswell, they are good enough so they can win their lanes and kinda of carry the deadweight you're not capable of.

                                Eventually, even these tilted cucks manage to realise he's good and they'll comply and help him out.

                                You see how quickly: it's a 1v9 scenario ends up being: I'm a fucking asshole therefore I made 4 more people play against me.

                                '96 Neve Campbell

                                  can we make this a nasuverse thread now? original topic was probably fun at first but you're all being pretty stupid and embarassing atm

                                  I could probs write a dissertation on TYPE-MOON games cause im a sad weeb

                                  DC.MASON


                                    why is tsukihime such a roller coaster that can go from "kinda comfy" to "really fucking creepy" in span of a minute
                                    thank god that ciel doesn't take any shit from the protagonist

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                                    SayingPleaseHelps

                                      @.purgatory

                                      Where does this 1v5 idea come from? Do you always have 4 of your other teammates abandon minute 1? Because if not, you have 4 teammates that do whatever is expected by their MMR and 5 enemies that do EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS. At which point, if you overperform your own counterpart you climb on average. Smurf accounts climb fast because they overperform their equivalent on the enemy team by a Jupiter country mile so that likelyhood of winning goes to 90% and at no point do they 1v5 or 1v9. They win their 1v1 so hard the opposition goes into OP mode and starts flaming their team or gives up entirely instead of trying to win.

                                      '96 Neve Campbell

                                        why is tsukihime such a roller coaster that can go from "kinda comfy" to "really fucking creepy" in span of a minute
                                        thank god that ciel doesn't take any shit from the protagonist
                                        Just the tone of the game i guess. Ciel is the best heroine anyway cause she likes curry (aka. real food)

                                        DC.MASON

                                          i'm going through her route rn
                                          wish i had any clue how does curry taste

                                          '96 Neve Campbell

                                            wish i had any clue how does curry taste

                                            You have never had a curry? scuse me?

                                            Feachairu

                                              arent there some japanese restaurants on your place? any chain will do
                                              even you can eat like udon curry or something

                                              i assume you talkin jap curry tho

                                              DC.MASON

                                                never got the chance
                                                upon further inspection there is one indian restaurant in my uni city where i could get it but i don't really get to eat outside very often

                                                on top of that i'm a bit scared of foreign cuisine
                                                and something tells me that i'm not the type to enjoy asian food despite being a weeaboo

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                                                '96 Neve Campbell

                                                  In london there are literally hundreds of curry houses its great

                                                  DC.MASON

                                                    at least im not touching vietnamese food ever again, that's for certain

                                                    DC.MASON

                                                      80% of the food here is either kebabs or vietnamese shit
                                                      i know of one really good sushi restaurant but also way out of my league (i could live for at least two weeks from money spent on one dinner in there)

                                                      Feachairu

                                                        ah dont go to those expensive stuff lol,is there no "chain" like kfc/mcd but japanese ver? there's alot in here like marugame udon or ichiban sushi or watever(alright i'm sure those names arent in NA)

                                                        i don't think i'll love vietnamese food too,and i almost never touched indian curry also

                                                        curry udon tastes nice,i like it

                                                        actually some food courts on singapore has a japanese shop or something,there's no food courts on malls there?

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                                                        '96 Neve Campbell

                                                          vietnamese shit? um? ive never had vietnamese that wasnt the best

                                                          EX Crusader player

                                                            You guys never tried Serbian food, I'm quite sure. Pljeskavica is just amazing thing, I'd never trade it for any other food.

                                                            Feachairu

                                                              that name sounds amazing

                                                              i love soup stuff,my favorite food is now udon or indonesian chicken broth soup
                                                              tastes so gooood

                                                              DC.MASON

                                                                sounds like slivovice

                                                                vietnamese shit? um? ive never had vietnamese that wasnt the best

                                                                i don't know, i've eaten even in places that were supposed to be ok but it wasn't really my cup of tea i guess

                                                                hev grabeh

                                                                  Party mmr is better because u can control your team mates :D

                                                                  Feachairu

                                                                    never touched vietnamese food or thailand food for me i think
                                                                    except that tom yam soup from,that one is thailand

                                                                    '96 Neve Campbell

                                                                      never touched vietnamese food or thailand food for me i think
                                                                      except that tom yam soup from,that one is thailand
                                                                      There is a fantastic authentic thai restuarant 2 blocks from my apartment that does the best Koong Chu Chi in existence. One of those places that looks like a health inspector's nightmare but fuck me its so good

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                                                                      Feachairu

                                                                        lol
                                                                        what is a good name of the thailand food,maybe if i meet one someday ill order that one on the menu

                                                                        DC.MASON

                                                                          Feachairu

                                                                            gaytolfo

                                                                            SayingPleaseHelps

                                                                              Isn't that spectacular? Barely any traffic while the discussion is on topic, well, ELO Hell may be a bit stale of a topic but still. The moment a mundane food matter is brought up it's breakneck pace all of a sudden. Fuck your shallow surface mundane bullshit, I'm gonna go grab myself smth to eat.

                                                                              '96 Neve Campbell

                                                                                Isn't that spectacular? Barely any traffic while the discussion is on topic, well, ELO Hell may be a bit stale of a topic but still. The moment a mundane food matter is brought up it's breakneck pace all of a sudden. Fuck your shallow surface mundane bullshit, I'm gonna go grab myself smth to eat.
                                                                                The discussion about ELO hell got killed when the likes of you poisoned the well. Would rather talk about good food with good people, thanks.

                                                                                EX Crusader player

                                                                                  ^

                                                                                  https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4263655166

                                                                                  Solid Wind Ranger performance in high skill bracket, Parma. Obviously your team's fault, but still. I'm quite impressed. Ancient 1 at it's best.

                                                                                  EDIT;

                                                                                  Why am I not surprised, playing with smurfs with high winrate, as usual;

                                                                                  https://www.dotabuff.com/players/440445433

                                                                                  Oh well, gotta earn that sweet Ancient 2, girl?

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                                                                                  '96 Neve Campbell

                                                                                    I yawned out loud reading that.
                                                                                    Am I not allowed to play with my friends without being judged? The guy went 1-8 mid PA and you are talking about me being carried kk

                                                                                    EX Crusader player

                                                                                      Am I not allowed to play with my friends without being judged

                                                                                      The guy went 1-8 mid PA and you are talking about me being carried kk

                                                                                      This shit is good, I like it.

                                                                                      SayingPleaseHelps

                                                                                        @OP

                                                                                        Am I not allowed to play with my friends without being judged

                                                                                        Have you given up on this whole climbing in solo? Coz if you accepted being 1k shitter then it's totally fine for you to play in higher skill parties. Oh, wait!
                                                                                        i got ancient btw take that haters

                                                                                        As long as you are bragging about getting carried in parties we will judge you for that.

                                                                                        EX Crusader player

                                                                                          ^

                                                                                          She didn't give up, back when we were talking she said that it's very stressful for her to play solo ranked, so that's why she can't do it.

                                                                                          Guess what's not stressful for her? Getting boosted in party MMR so she can present herself as an ANCIENT player. I guess being LEGEND wasn't enough ( even tho in reality she's like Crusader 3 or 4, but HEY, WAIT! ) Ancient is probably what she deeply coinsider herself to be.

                                                                                          All good here. Xd

                                                                                          EDIT

                                                                                          Btw, my behavior score is going up, from D- to C, games are getting more enjoyable, finally.

                                                                                          30 commends, boiis.

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                                                                                          SayingPleaseHelps

                                                                                            What do you actually do do get to low behaviour score?

                                                                                            I only remember getting low prio once, muted for a day once and never getting low behaviour scores. And I'm pretty vocal on voice when I play.

                                                                                            ubica

                                                                                              when playing in 1k mmr i never expect for a single of my teammates to contribute towards winning the game in the slightest. They simply dont know how to, and if i try to tell them they would accuse me of being toxic and start flaming/running mid. If you EVER trust a teammate in 1k, you're in for a big disappointment.
                                                                                              you MUST be able to win a game alone in that bracket, and you also should be able to do it every single game - assuming you are a good enough player.

                                                                                              Hell, a good 30% (number out of my ass, its probably morel ike 20% tbh too) of games even in 3k need to be 1v5'd, but im not skilled enough because you need to have a significant advantage in terms of skill to do it in 3k bracket - im sure 6k player like cookie would win every game that i lost in this acc so far.

                                                                                              And the easiest way to get low behavior score is to abandon games whenever you feel like it.

                                                                                              And before you judge - yes 1vs9 is as rare and as hard as it sounds. I believe the one time i got such a game in a smurf (smth like 30 kills 9 slotted offlane troll with 4 total newbies) i got instant HS/VHS after winning that one game despite being considered a normal skill player at the time.

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                                                                                              EX Crusader player

                                                                                                What do you actually do do get to low behaviour score?

                                                                                                You either abandon a lot, which decreases your behavior score by quite a lot or you get reported. Previous owner of this ACC did exactly that.

                                                                                                when playing in 1k mmr i never expect for a single of my teammates to contribute towards winning the game in the slightest. They simply dont know how to

                                                                                                If you have normal behavior score and you're 1k mmr, people will actually listen to you if you're winning them the game. This is 100% legit, because my previous smurf i've grinded to 3.2k had pretty much 80% of the time normal behavior score.

                                                                                                you MUST be able to win a game alone in that bracket, and you also should be able to do it every single game - assuming you are a good enough player.

                                                                                                EDIT;

                                                                                                Btw, I'm currently 1500+ (can't nail the exact number, but above 1500, almost Crusader 3-one game away from it)

                                                                                                And here's my winrate over 55 games so far:

                                                                                                https://www.dotabuff.com/players/359509351/matches?date=month&enhance=overview&lobby_type=ranked_matchmaking&page=2

                                                                                                So, 75% winrate. Which is actually not super-high, but I'd say I'd had at least 80% winrate if I actually had normal behavior score. Maybe even above. Still not too bad. At this pace, it took me about one week of grind to get from 900 mmr to 1500 mmr, so roughly 600 MMR gained so far.

                                                                                                No you don't. You need to have normal behavior score and you need to have correct attidude. With these 2, you can get far, trust me.

                                                                                                And you'd be surprised that even as 4k player, I get carried by 1ks once in a while. They are not as bad as you think.

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