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vlas.97

    AXE + CM VS VOID + DAZZLE

    GO!!

    Riguma Borusu

      yes

      vlas.97

        Who wins the lane and why. Btw i love it that you answer me every time after 1min when i start a toipc :D

        Feachairu

          axe cm

          Tribo

            Axe + int ranged/str melee/phoenix melts everyone

            Jack__Attack

              Tribe, you make it seems like axe wins all dual lanes.

              Tribo

                Because he can

                Riguma Borusu

                  he isn't really exaggerating much

                  axe + phoenix in the enemy offlane is absolute cancer and basically 100% assurance your safelane is lost

                  Väinämöinen

                    unless i play axe or phoenix

                    Feachairu

                      wat is a safelane? some kind of a food?

                      TokyoTokyo

                        Harass > Sustain.

                        Khéops-

                          Dazzle destroys axe in lane. Try to creep skip and you get healbombed for 300+ lvl 1.

                          Void won't do much unless he gets really lucky on bash.

                          I've been team wiped at 20m by Naga + Dazzle with just damage from hammer - riptide - shadow wave.

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                          Väinämöinen

                            more like LAME WARS

                            Kotato

                              anyone met Bristle and Abbadon in same dual lane?

                              Tribo

                                Yes it's garbage pick 2 ranged heroes and they sucky sucky

                                Muhammad Sumbul

                                  ^ Unless the ocopponents are braindead or bb manages to get some levels .700 range onthe quills is op af(or is it 650 i'm confused ,it used to be bigger than linas auto-attack range tho )

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                                  eXcel

                                    Grimstronk + Tony vs Ogré + Bone

                                    Go

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                                    A̶𝖘𝖍𝖊𝖘

                                      Toby who?

                                      A̶𝖘𝖍𝖊𝖘

                                        Grim plus Weaver versus axe plus sky go.

                                        Jack__Attack

                                          Weaver and grim wins that. Ranged carry vs Axe and grim is broken..

                                          Phantom lancer+warlock vs windranger+phoenix

                                          eXcel

                                            Tony* (tiny airlines) my apologies.

                                            Feachairu

                                              tell me any safelane lineup that can beat brood+dazzle

                                              vlas.97

                                                Thank you for so many replys, did not expected to get so many serious non trolling answers. :D

                                                My problem was that we saw no light with axe / cm vs dazzl / void ( i was the axe / unexperienced axe player)

                                                Axe is some kind of hard counter to dazzl cuz you penetrate his holy save spell. But in lane i felt like the house cat watching the racoon stealing its food.
                                                Axe permanently slowed - hard to get a good setup for heli/taunt
                                                If axe gets a decent amount of dmg void can negate that completely with his q.
                                                Dazzles and void basically have 2 heals and therefore a lot of sustain.
                                                If you try to get your dot on void its no biggy for him cuz of his high attack dmg to get it of.
                                                CM is a weak laner in general.

                                                I am happy that a bluestars wrote that dazzl destroys axe in lane. Now i feel less garbage, even tho i am, esp with axe.

                                                Vandal

                                                  @Jack Attack
                                                  Phoenix and WR as they're both very unkillable and good traders

                                                  weaver + Shaman vs Bloodseeker + Silencer

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                                                  Tribo

                                                    Incoming brokeBack analyzing

                                                    Jack__Attack

                                                      @fea a safelane lineup vs brood and dazzle.. I'd have to go the best shot being sven/rubick?

                                                      Would be alot easier to choose if I could pick axe or lc. :(

                                                      @vandal bloodseeker and silencer win. Bs can self sustain and gains thirst through silencer constant harrassment.

                                                      spilled

                                                        @lorn

                                                        I am a shameless dazzle spammer, and I can really say I do not fear axe at all in lane unless he is with a silencer.
                                                        If dazzle maxes poison touch in lane and you don't have a lane mate who can peel him off of you, he can and will out-damage your battle hunger and push you out of the lane. If he maxes shadow wave, the lowered cooldown will be a lot of sustain plus basically an instagib if you're bold enough to get close enough to berserker's call.

                                                        The concession for axe is that the lane really doesn't matter, and you can soak lvl 3 in lane and even tank a death and still go jungle a blink while your 4 (windrunner/silencer usually) soaks the lane exp. All it takes is a well-timed smoke as soon as you have your blink and a good catch on one or two heroes and you've recovered from the worst case laning scenario.

                                                        Shallow grave aside, dazzle being able to give the team +15 armor with weave really reduces the impact of berserker's call+helix anyway. You can bust through grave with culling blade, but if axe is not already a good complement to your team, then picking him to counter a dazzle really isn't worth it imo. Axe can provide great value to a team, but it's really independent of whether or not there's a dazzle.