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General DiscussionWin-Loss Streaks and Matchmaking Explained!

Win-Loss Streaks and Matchmaking Explained! in General Discussion
悟り

    HELLO TO ALL D#MBA$$ B!SHA$$ KEYBOARD WARRIORS/DOTABUFF FINGERS HERE.

    CHILL. STAY CIVIL MUUPHUCKAZ

    OP HAS POINT.

    BEHAVIOR SCORE HAS AN IMPACT ON MATCHMAKING.

    VALVE DEVELOPERS USED THAT VARIABLE TO TRACK PLAYER BEHAVIOR BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY PROGRAMMATICALLY TO DETERMINE A PLAYER'S BEHAVIOR. (REPORT/COMMEND ETC.)

    IT IS NOT PERFECT JUST LIKE THE MATCHMAKER AND VALVE ALREADY ADMITTED THAT 4 YEARS AGO WHEN THEY RELEASED A BLOG ABOUT MATCHMAKING.

    "The matchmaker seldom achieves all of those goals perfectly"

    SO STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT GETTING RETARDED TEAMMATES, JUST THINK OF IT THAT THE MATCHMAKER FAILS TO ACHIEVE ITS JOB.

    BEHAVIOR SCORE WORKS, WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PIT, THE ONLY WAY TO ESCAPE IS TO

    "PLAY GOOD, DON'T BE RUDE, BE NICE"

    IF YOU DO THAT FOR A COUPLE OF GAMES YOUR BEHAVIOR SCORE WILL RISE WHICH MEANS YOU'RE A LAW ABIDING CITIZEN.
    THAT IS WHY SOMETIMES YOU GET NICE PEOPLE OR GOOD GAMES EVEN IF YOU HAVE LOW SCORE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY ARE PUNISHED AND THE ONLY WAY TO GET HIGH SCORE IS TO BE NICE.

    BUT STRESS WILL ALWAYS CREEP UP SO EVEN IF YOU HAVE A 9K BEHAVIOR SCORE IT DOES MEAN THAT YOUR GAMES WILL BE 100% RETARD FREE BECAUSE BEHAVIOR REALLY AFFECTS YOUR PERFORMANCE. THERE ARE ALSO FACTORS THAT IS OUT OF OUR CONTROL THAT CONTRIBUTES TO OUR BEHAVIOR

    BEHAVIOR SCORE IS FOR PLAYER BEHAVIOR AND MMR IS FOR MATCHMAKING SKILL.

    TO ALL DUNCES OUT THERE THAT SAY BEHAVIOR SCORE IS IRRELEVANT.
    EAT A D!CK.
    AGAIN, VALVE DEVELOPERS PUT IT THERE FOR A PURPOSE.

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    Zen

      "Valve would do anything to stop that as they want their pro scene to remain scarce so they have authoritative control over their players and resources."

      You do understand you can be a 4K dogshit and play with 7-8K people in closed lobbies with your teammates (who are probably much higher than u) and it's called "scrims". You can also just attend tournaments, cups, national-international. Every valuable match happens OUTSIDE of Valve matchmaking. Valve has no control over its players. Jesus... I can stand conspiracy theories for quite long but your 3k biased ranting over whatnot just makes me lose my mind. And trust me, I'm a quite calm person.

      Zen

        Nobody says it's irrelevant. But every blue star player will agree on this statement with me: "I rather have a flaming, raging, toxic [piss of shit] that makes the plays and can live through the rage and perform at his/her fullest in given game; than have the local NiceGuy that is a liability, mechanically garbage, mapsense 0, but tries... a ward here, a feed there. You know how we roll"

        The first player can be muted for the time of the game, and will contribute to victory. The second one will be muted after the game so that I know when I get matched with him/her again that he/she is an absolute fucking trashcan and I should dodge or refrain from playing in one area with him/her as it would bring me in danger.

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        悟り

          DID YOU GET THE POINT BETWEEN BEHAVIOR AND SKILL?

          OR DID YOU DIG OUT MY POST OR OTHERS POSTS CAREFULLY?

          Sia

            "100% retard free" is wrong. people are human a nice 9000bs guy can have a bad game and tilt on the next one and start flaming and feeding or whatever. there is a system and on avg ur high bs should get u out of 4 toxic m8 games but generally cant ever blame the system for this.

            in a nutshell it doesnt matter stop

            悟り

              LUL!

              THAT IS WHY I SAID "IT DOES NOT MEAN YOUR GAME WILL BE 100% RETARD FREE"

              HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND. LMAO.

              FUNNY SOME PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ AND UNDERSTAND THESE DAYZ.

              SMH.

              Sia

                lol i read "will be" my bad
                still point stands for others

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                Zen

                  Caps broken? :thinking:

                  Jacked

                    lol @ ray. 48% winrate. explains alot

                    悟り

                      OH SO NOW YOU POINT ON MY LETTER CASE

                      BEKUZ YOU CAN'T EVEN KEEP UP A CONVERSATION/DISCUSSION AND

                      WOW SOMEONE JUST MAKE A POINT BY POINTING MY PROFILE'S WR LUL.

                      FYI THIS ACCOUNT IS GARBAGE/EXPERIMENTAL, THERE ARE 6 PEOPLE PLAYING IN THIS ACCOUNT. YOU CAN EVEN CHECK MY INTENTIONAL ABANDONS WHICH DROPS ME TO ZERO BEHAVIOR SCORE.

                      700 GAMES AND YOU'RE 1K. AY LMAO

                      fourth.

                        too much words bro make it short so ppl cn read.....

                        plaku]

                          'Nobody says it's irrelevant. But every blue star player will agree on this statement with me: "I rather have a flaming, raging, toxic [piss of shit] that makes the plays and can live through the rage and perform at his/her fullest in given game; than have the local NiceGuy that is a liability, mechanically garbage, mapsense 0, but tries... a ward here, a feed there. You know how we roll"
                          The first player can be muted for the time of the game, and will contribute to victory. The second one will be muted after the game so that I know when I get matched with him/her again that he/she is an absolute fucking trashcan and I should dodge or refrain from playing in one area with him/her as it would bring me in danger.' THis the part that you guys completely missunderstood how the BS impact the game. i wanted to make a new specifik topic about this but isee this topic has already to much attetnion so im going to explain it here in details.First of all BS doesnt represent how toxic a player is, it only represent how many reports or commends he is getting. with this being said, means that your responsabile for BS you have. so lets go rly fast with the reasons a guy would get reported in a game. a) he is an acc buyer, he is a ssmurf cailbrated higher than he deservse and wil ruin games in his team, he is the guy that mark mid and call last pick no matter waht like is his born right given by god and if somoen random od he will still last pick invoker and go double mid, he is the guy that i nthe first mistake he sees to a mate like missing a spell , a last hit, giving fb to enemy, use shrien while he is not there, and he is the 10 k pro player that canot live with that so he get tilted and starts flaming him all game or even worst feed couriers., or he is the guya that is practise with invoker in ranked , and feed everygame and end up being useles. all of this and many other things, are big reasons to get reported and lower your BS. so as you can see no one of this doesnt inlude toxicity, and this is the worst scenario of low BS cause you gonna get teammates like this. ( still your fault cause you probably doing one of those things since your in that BS too) B) Your getting reported cause you have worst teammates in your team and your the one trying rly hard to win the game, your performing rly well you have hig gpm , 23-2-19 stats and you have better vison in how to win the game and your trying to comunicate with your team which is obviosly performing poorly than you, but that are not following yo utey still keep repeating smae msitakes, and in your eyes looks like they are trying to sabotage you, wil get trigered and start falming them, this will cause probably them not to say sry to you and listen to you, but in mostly cases his self defender mekanizem wil activated and they will flame you back and report you. C) You are not geting reported at all, but you mght have some network or pc problems, and yo uwill dc sometimes and get abbandon. this is even worst cause 1 abbandon lower your BS by 1000, and 1 reprot only for 400. so the conlusion if your the A) im rly glad about yo uthat you have your bs, if your B i feel a little bit sry cause you got punished by your attidute and not your skillnes, but is stll your fault dont try to control things that are not in your control, jsut admit that - 25 for that game. and if your C) I feel sry for you yo uare screwed cause yo uwere unlucky.

                          Sia

                            is proud of intentionally abandoning and trying to prove some point here
                            gl
                            also diox>>>>>>>mafioso

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                              Dire Wolf

                                OP is a moron.

                                And it's all anecdotal but it does feel like after an abandon or too I get way more toxic teammates and streaks of them. Also weekends are much more toxic for some reason. It seems like weekends should be better as adults work during the week, but maybe kids have to sleep for school, idk.

                                Speak English, Pick Stuns

                                  I have went on back to back 20 game streaks of wins and 20 game streaks of losses.

                                  RayZLiENT

                                    @Stirling,
                                    "Valve has no control over its players" - Are you living under a rock?
                                    "3k biased ranting" - This is my alt to test out new stuff, how do you even assume I am 3K (or lower), seriously?

                                    @Jacked,
                                    Taking the winrate of an account (which is exclusively used for testing purposes) and completing the missing the point of the discussion explains a lot about you as well.

                                    @Dire Wolf,
                                    "it's all anecdotal but it does feel like after an abandon or too I get way more toxic teammates and streaks of them" - Here's another way of saying the same sentence: "I don't agree with you, but I agree with you". Or maybe this: "What you said is wrong, but I found the same thing to be right". Well done.

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                                    RayZLiENT

                                      @Big Guy,
                                      I have gone through the same thing, but I feel like I understand the system much better now to avoid such pitfalls.

                                      CatalystRoy

                                        I am sitting on a winning streak and my teammates have been very good. I am waiting till I hit that wall where all my teammates are all idiots.

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                                        FHigh420HighE

                                          Flamers and ragers are never the problem. The problem is always players that steal lanes or troll.

                                          Shou

                                            Taking the winrate of an account (which is exclusively used for testing purposes) and completing the missing the point of the discussion explains a lot about you as well.

                                            Basically you're retarded and a hypocrite because you are allowed to point out Jacked's mmr (he is 3.5k btw) but Jacked isn't allowed to point out your winrate? What?

                                            Just /thread this shit its basically a bunch of autistic m0ngoloids looking for ways to justify their views of dota with no real proof. its not like u have a view/idea abt dota and UNDERSTAND there is no proof and are looking for it. No reason to argue with dunning kruger, russells teapot fuckboys.

                                            BTW PLEASE SOMEONE MAKE A MAFIOSO'S TEAPOT IMG IN PHOTOSHOP OR SMTH LIKE THAT ONE DIOX ALERT IMG PLEASE WE NEED IT.
                                            spam it whenever Mafioso makes a post.
                                            haHAA

                                            Jacked

                                              3.6*

                                              RayZLiENT

                                                @Crippling Depression,
                                                Hypocrite? This account is for testing purposes only while Jacked isn't for one (unless he does, but never mentioned it).

                                                And I don't know, if this is right or wrong, but this is what I see.

                                                And also I just wanted constructive criticism for my effort and didn't wanted to flame others. Sorry if I hurt somebody's feeling. LOL.

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                                                rush

                                                  'it tries to achieve an overall 50% chances of winning for each team'
                                                  So what's wrong with wrs in my last match https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3173891966

                                                  Dire Wolf

                                                    no I don't agree with you at all, you are trying to quantify something you cannot. players are not tagged as good or bad in terms of stats, only mmr matters. We have no idea if behavior scores matters or not, probably doesn't. Time of day you play probably matters more.

                                                    Jacked

                                                      @ray no matter what pool you're in, matchmaking should be balanced. so even if u have a bad time playing, in the long run u shd have equal chance to win. if u think u have more times getting bad team (unlucky). u could be a victim of radom variance, or selective memory. pick one.

                                                      NeGo

                                                        @Jacked pls reveal your reall mmr on dotabuff so he stfu.

                                                        >tfw no gamer girl peeing gf

                                                          What Behavior Score do new accounts lock at? Because smurfs could be a reason 8kBS+ has toxic players.

                                                          Smurfs create inflation.

                                                          Anyone have a dummy account with only like 2 games they can check out?

                                                          CatalystRoy

                                                            Well, I did hit the wall. And here's the proof: https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3175102703

                                                            My team winrates: 44.75, 47.16, 48.72, 40.13

                                                            Enemy winrates: 52.25, 51.06, 50.03

                                                            outerspaceboys

                                                              my Bheavior score is 6400, am i categorized as 'bad' player?

                                                              RayZLiENT

                                                                @Cat Chan Guy,
                                                                New accounts are not given an official behavior score till they have finished their initial 25 games.

                                                                @KimsoHYUNN,
                                                                The behavior score is a cumulative score of your past behavior history. It isn't related to you being tagged as 'Good' or 'Bad'.

                                                                Cookie

                                                                  behavior score is how close you are to getting low priority based on abandons/reports or opposite commends

                                                                  it will not change the people you get matched with.

                                                                  RayZLiENT

                                                                    @RIKI,
                                                                    It DOES change the people you are matched with (matches you with allies with similar behavior pattern).

                                                                    Notes from Valve:
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                                                                    "Players who repeatedly engage in activities significantly harmful to the community are put into a separate matchmaking pool for two months. Players who run multiple instances are only segregated as long as they continue to run multiple instances. If you think you have been segregated merely for running multiple instances, then stop running multiple instances for a day or two, and then try to find a match again. You should find that you are back in the ordinary matchmaking pool with the rest of the community."

                                                                    "We are making some improvements to matchmaking to put players with similar play styles together. For example, players who repeatedly abandon games before they begin, or intentionally throw the match. We want to make sure these sorts of players can more easily find each other, to increase everybody's enjoyment of the game."
                                                                    =================================================================

                                                                    And btw, there is no cut-off score to be put in LP. The factor that puts you in LP, is number of reports in very recent games from multiple parties. You can get LP in as low as 2 games. Also, you can get reported 20 times in 50 games (widely spread out) and get your BScore lowered to 2000 and still don't get LP.

                                                                    Notes from Valve:
                                                                    =================================================================
                                                                    "Multiple people ganging up on you to report you in the same game has no effect on whether or not you are banned. We are looking at patterns of behavior over time only."
                                                                    =================================================================

                                                                    RayZLiENT

                                                                      @Jacked,

                                                                      @ray no matter what pool you're in, matchmaking should be balanced. so even if u have a bad time playing, in the long run u shd have equal chance to win. if u think u have more times getting bad team (unlucky). u could be a victim of radom variance, or selective memory. pick one.

                                                                      Getting 50% in the long run can only happen if you minimize the variables by picking same heroes, playing with a fresh mind, etc. and while your team does the same (usually never happens). You can clearly defy the odds (or atleast have a higher chance) if you do the above, which most higher ranked players do (5k+) and hence they remain much more steady.

                                                                      Jacked

                                                                        That doesn't minimize jack shit that just means u optimize ur performance. It's completely different.

                                                                        RayZLiENT

                                                                          Yea kid that doesn't mean jack shit and yet it optimizes your performance. LOL. Think before you even start typing.

                                                                          doc joferlyn simp

                                                                            Took you 5 days to think of that LOL

                                                                            Jacked

                                                                              you can play thousands of games without optimizing your performance. you start to optimize your performance by playing your best heroes and climb, but then you're climbing because you play better. how does that have anythign to do with matchmaking? you'd still be on 50% because it is still balanced. wtf are you talking about?

                                                                              Jacked

                                                                                i don't understand whatr you are trying to say. please enlighten me. i accept i could have missed your point.

                                                                                RayZLiENT

                                                                                  I didn't visit the forums for 5 days ---> Interpreted as: Took 5 days to think of a reply. Great Logic.

                                                                                  And Jacked dude, I am sorry I can't carry you. You got this.

                                                                                  Piguera-

                                                                                    It may make sense. However, according to my Dota experience, if I play between 3 AM - 7 AM in South America, I will always get retard 3 stack peruvian little boys (probably around 2% behaviour score) in my team, no matter if I did well or not on the previous games.

                                                                                    And they all are probably spending the night on a lan house eating cheetos, drinking coke and yelling at each other all night long while greasing their keyboards and mouses.

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                                                                                    Jacked

                                                                                      ^just as likely to end up on enemy.

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