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General DiscussionL> decent players in SEA server to daily have 5man party

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    SO...im actually getting preety pissed at the people i get matched with....i keep getting the crappiest, non understandable team where they just suicide..its as if theyre playing huskar or some hero on every hero..they nvr teamwork nvr call miss and play 5 carry games thinkin they can easily win with no support and i probably won only a few out of the many games ive had past week..my win rate was probably 30difference a week ago but now it has a difference of 45....

    i have 5 reports to use

      you have a low win rate, you must be a bad player, stop whining and blame yourself.

      cartographer

        FYI, win rate doesn't determine player quality. I myself have a low win rate because I train with new players. If that's not good enough of a reason, look at this guy:
        https://dotabuff.com/players/91589418
        Extremely low win rate, but he's one of the best players on the SEA servers; keeps getting queued against verified players.

        66

          Derp, i have a bad winrate BECAUSE of these types of players....nice point fury :)

          dCM.Derpy.Mu

            you cant know who the best dota player on sea or anywhere is... each players have different skills...
            it all happen to us, we are playing and winning game mb more than 5 games and all of a sudden valve do shitty mm and stack us with 4 noobs/leaver and we lose the game.. there will always be something to ruin your win streak unless you got a fucking PRO 5 stack party and play like as if its the international finals.... my win percentage used to be 65% and i startated party 2 people and play cm games and it ruined my wins... party is not a solution believe me.. if you want to become pro just go solo games and try your fucking best to win... and btw ap games is also not the solution just queue up for cm and please dont you dare to fucking ruin games by saying i cant play that hero / tell the other supp to buy wards blabla... good luck!!!

            cartographer

              Derpy, I made that statement based on the assumption that the verified players have a much higher assumed skill level with respect to the rest of the SEA community, i.e. the modified TrueSkill algorithm Valve uses for matchmaking should match them with players around the same skill level. You do however have a point that it's pointless trying to find 5-man stacks just to improve your win rate

              dCM.Derpy.Mu

                do you have the TrueSkill algorithm? i want to see that
                cause i dont see that there is any kind of algorithm like that... i got 55% win ratio and when i solo MM i get stacked with players of 40-50% win ratio... their algo must be buggy imo!
                each and every of my games i check both my team and enemy team win ratio and also most of the gase i get stacked with 4 random pubs and the enemy is a 5 party stack... i dont mind playing against a 5 party stack buy the hell is my team like monkeys?? thats not fucking true skill...

                i regret having tried party... my win ratio started dropping since the day i made party

                CEO of good ideas

                  SEA players...there are a lot of bad players in the SEA servers, and what's worse, they THINK that they're pro! They don't accept advice from anyone. I'm not being racist either, I'm Malaysian (But I live in NZ, so I play on US West where decent people play).
                  DOTA 2 MM is broken to an extent, needs to have some sort of "noob pool" before they get ranked properly.
                  It's very hard to make a 5 man team online, I was at about 46% win rate from bad players, but then I started playing with my real life friends seriously and now it's about 50-51%. The only way to get out of the shit bracket you're in where you constantly get retards is to play super hard and carry the fuck outta there.

                  dCM.Derpy.Mu

                    i play only cm games because of fucking game ruiners/leavers on ap.
                    i played on russian, europe and sea servers and it seems that there are much more people who play cm on russian and eu than sea, and on sea there are many people whi i think selects all modes and they randomly get to play cm. they play well though

                    what really annoys me is that random people get to be captain and draft and they are soo noob that they will always pick their favourite hero and do shitty bans and drafts..

                    seriously i remember that game where enemy didnt ban batrider(they had 1st ban) and my captain didnt ban it either but instead he baned lycan(wow ban a fucking nerfed lycan) and then the opponent 1stpick batrider and my fucking captain fucking pi a templar assassin.. we all fucking give him some advice on how to repair this mistake but he pissed us off and continue as if he didnt see our message.

                    he didnt ban seer and veno(counter to TA) this dude must be a fucking retard and we got the rape of our life.. obviously a pub player

                    https://dotabuff.com/matches/67282444

                    Dent

                      "SEA players...there are a lot of bad players in the SEA servers, and what's worse, they THINK that they're pro! They don't accept advice from anyone. I'm not being racist either, I'm Malaysian (But I live in NZ, so I play on US West where decent people play)."
                      This statement goes against almost everything I believe in, SEA players are much more skilled. And then i see your profile and understand, you are still in the shit bracket. When you reach a higher bracket, try playing SEA again, you'll feel how much harder it is. Even the LGD.int guys agree that the SEA servers are much harder to play, 5 man stack or not.

                      Dave

                        I have low winrate because I keep playing games out of my league :)

                        3MDR

                          well, sadly, you probably belong where you are right now. Even if you think that you are better than the players you are matched with, the matchmaking system can't tell the difference because you are not performing noticeably better than the 9 other players in the game.

                          I used to think like you guys, OP and MaNia ツ, until I just became a better player. Regardless of what my teammates did and how they played, I was good enough to carry the team and have an average score of 10+ kill with only a few deaths for many games in a row. That put me right into high skill bracket when I solo queued. Yes, I still get unbalanced games but not as bad and not as often as when I solo queued in normal skill bracket.

                          And yes, there were trolls and flamers; like an omni who would only use spells on his friend who was playing a support... and refused to heal or dispel me for no reason... but as I got multiple triple/ultra kills, he stopped trolling/flaming and began doing things I told him to do; using dispel on me right as teamfight breaks out. Most people play to win but they are willing to throw the game if you insult them.

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                          cartographer

                            +1 to ∰. Reading on the DotA 2 dev site, you'll see what Eric Tams did for a player who complained about his matchmaking level - he bumped him up by 1 standard deviation, and he soon feel back to his original place on the scale.

                            CEO of good ideas

                              [KCG] We can believe whatever we want to believe. My personal experience with SEA has not been good, judging from your games you are a frequent SEA server player, so we both obviously have a bias.

                              Seeing ones profile does not judge a bracket, go into the DOTA 2 client and search it up. Now with DOTA 2 people who have low win rates are considered noob, people who have higher win rates are considered in the shit bracket. Some people really need to grow up.

                              66

                                Thanks for these epic comments but i still dont wanna solo que all the time :3 its lonely too bahha

                                Kronos

                                  count me in. i usually play carry.. LD or invoker. if needed support, i go bat, ench, chen rubick.