General Discussion6.81 terrorblade still rapes ~3,7k?

And the reason why he doesn't rape anymore is?

my dick inside a blender can win any game from 3k to 5k

@tc

i kinda dislike your build...

terrorblade needs hp now even more than before. You need drums, and not 2x wraith bands (unless harsh early game).

sange and yasha is good, gives more hp BUT manta gives so much dps (his ranged demon works on manta illusions).

WAIT. you make both?????????? move speed doesnt stack -_-

also, seems that you rush boots of travel in most games. You already have enough movespeed with sny. Unless you splitpush every game, you should not make them as your 3rd item. And dont make crits if you go for splitpush, illusions doesnt benefit from them

also, do you even need quelling blade to last hit? I see that you dont make helm of dominator (no jungle) so you should skip the quelling blade idea.

tl;dr : you dont deserve 3.7k with those builds :D

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burrrrn.

http://dotabuff.com/players/49382246/matches?date=patch_6.81&faction=&hero=terrorblade&lobby_type=&game_mode=&region=&duration=
he doesnt deserve 6k? i only disagree with 3 wraith bands

i can't take you talk seriously, you recommend items with what i see most tbs fail
u are noob enough that u need dominator for jungle? bitch i jungle half of my games from lvl 1 if someone picks after me carry
manta is after skadi for dps, stats and pushing power, if enemy has anti illusion for team fights then i skip it

Because you succeed in something doesn't necessarily mean its good. Yes, I know thats contradictory but there are plenty of retards who go jungle furion for a 8min raw midas right? Is it good? No. Did they win? Yes.

Take blackwolf's advice with a grain of salt. You don't need both SNY and Manta due to the fact you could just split SNY and get a Manta with a Sange (no idea why you waste 2k more). Its a popular build to get SNY early and split it for Halbard/Manta.

I don't recommend going BoT every game. Honestly, if you've been able to get without being punished so far it only means 2 things, 1. you have good supporks or 2. you outskill your opponent. It doesn't matter which of the reasons it is because it is bad.

2 Wraiths = waste of an item slot. No carry ever builds 2 bracers/wraiths/null unless they are doing bad.

Saying Dominator is for noobs whilst stacking items which don't stack is contradictory...

ggwp enjoy your doto life

that guy doesnt make sny+manta...

and you cant jungle 24/7 with no sustain - you will run out of mana. And if you would get ganked, no escape/no transform/no sunder...

485 ms is enough to escape

Are you going to be a stubborn brat flaunting his stats of what is agreed to be a rather op hero in a rather low bracket

or listen to people pointing how you can improve whilst providing evidence for their reasonings

because at the end of the fucking day, you're stacking items that don't stack. LIKE PICTURE YOURSELF BUYING 2 BOOTS OF SPEED.

LMAO THIS HERO BEAT THAT TEAM FUCKING REKT SCRUBS

Yes you can jungle really fast without sustain. 2 wraiths, even 3 is great on tb. BoT rush is great because it lets you split push earlier; phase and treads were great for small fights early but with the str nerf and reflection nerf you shouldn't be taking fights in the first place.

Helm is a terrible item, 2k gold sink on one of the fastest junglers in the game.

Quelling blade contributes to jungle efficiency more than HotD, from cutting efficient paths to letting illusions clear camps significantly faster.

The only part of his build I disagree with is the SnY, I feel it delays Skadi too much and manta is core.

Multiple wraiths is something pioneered by matrice from many games of experimentation at the highest echelons of pub play and has a farming efficiency comparable to 60 last hits in lane at 10 minutes, making TB one of the fastest jungler and making him a tower-devouring monster at merely level 8.

tl;dr you all dont deserve to comment on tb builds

Zenoth doesnt matrice build SnY on terrorblade ? The thing is i understand how good manta on TB is, but at the same time i love SnY as a item and with the nerf to his str gain every bit of hp i can get on this hero seems to be perfect.

Is treads>drums>SnY>Skadi decent ?

Its decent but I skip drums if I get forced to the jungle early since I don't have to worry as much about engages.

SnY... it depends on your playstyle, matrice fights more midgame while I prefer to splitpush, manta obviously helps more in the latter.

Both have their merits, but split push is generally safer while team fighting relies very heavily on good judgements and situation appraisal. Split push is heavily punished by qw orchid rush invokers and a select few other heroes though.

Doesnt drums help you about mana in the jungle ? I should watch one or two replays because i am usually out of mana even treads swapping

It takes really long to run out of mana, RoA is a decent item too especially if you're safe lane, the illusions carry the aura and lets you pressure towers easier.

finally someone who understands the hero
i didnt notice that blackwolf thinks that qb is only good for last hitting in lane, hard lol

You said that you are making manta+sny (around 10k gold items as compared to 2k item that lets you solo rosh/stack camps) to jungle with "escape" when oom.

I can show your builds to one 6k mme guy if you want. If you think that you are right.

Didnt want to bring mmr into this discussiom but since you felt like bringing it up...

Im 5.6k solo, probably can make it to 6k easily if I wasn't scrimming / party stacking most of the time

matrice is 6.6k solo

helm is a poor investment. On heroes like Luna it builds into a core item + accelerates farm. On heroes like TB his natural farm rate is around 700 gpm without having to build farming items. It is a terrible horrible investment.

please tell me more how high mmr players think poorly of the builds I mentioned

disclaimer: I dont support sny+manta, but everything else you said about tb is plain off

http://www.dota2.com/leaderboards#europe

btw: people thinking that quelling blade is for last hitting didn't understood anything about that item. It's for cleaning creep.

Holy fuck waga lost a lot of mmr

this is how you build terror blade, before and after patch
http://dotabuff.com/players/50242242/matches?date=&faction=&hero=terrorblade&lobby_type=&game_mode=&region=&duration=

http://dotabuff.com/players/91369376/items?date=&faction=&hero=terrorblade&lobby_type=&game_mode=&duration=20-&metric=used

Meracle's build

so long as you don't build radience on tb, all will be well with the mmr.

oh btw matrice, i've been watching your terrorblade games over the last week, and i fucking love the way you play.

Regarding blackwolfs first post: crit does benefit illusions. Though you must remember the red crit number when caused by illusions is before illusion & armour reduction. Still a hell of a crit for illusions made by terrorblade.

OK, you guys just got me hooked on TB again. Played him only about 5 times or so. Would really like to hear some words of wisdom from 5k-6k players about his item build and skill build.

As far as skill build is concerned, I think right now you need to max Reflection 2nd instead of Conjure Image since the skill got nerfed and with lower HP now, you illusions aren't that good early (or I may be wrong).

You are wrong, conjure image is more important then meta in the first place if you want to play tb optimally, unless you have an uncontested lane with high killing potential. In those cases 1-2 points in Reflection with max meta is fine.

Get a value point or two or skip reflection until later, the opportunity cost of full early investment is too high.

Oh yeah, another thing I wanted to know. I know some people go jungle TB. How does that go? I presume it's has something to do with illusions tanking damage but don't really know all the subtle parts of doing this effectively. Could anyone shed some light?

matrice style of level 1 tb jungle:
rough gist - start with circlet, as many slippers as you can (wait awhile after creeps spawn for that extra gold)
spawn illusion in fountain
clear the nearest medium camp (stack it if you cannot clear in time)
get level 2, use meta to kite and kill big camp
cast illusions whenever possible and kill until you run out of mana and hp
base, heal, repeat
build is quelling/boots/triple wraith/yasha
ideal timing is ~10 minutes

Thanks, I think I will try that in some botmatches until I get the hang of it and maybe go for it in a pub and see how that works.

@topic

i am getting old for this game... Indeed crits work but they do reduced damage. It is just that most illusion heroes can buy another stat item insted of crit.

As for quelling blade - you usually buy it if you plan to jungle fast or when you have farming item (like when antimage buys battlwfury). I did not reviewed all his tb games to check what he does BUT i saw a lack of lifesteal and qb as starting item? I like lifesteal on tb because he does huge damage and leeches a lot of hp in fights. His illusions can often farm jungle alone but not THAT early. I just think of the future, i get satanic late game. Jungling is way easier with it and you can do ancients/hard camps alone while illusions farm other camps/lane.

if you are writing about my tb's style, write wood, not jungle...

Thx from the future me next time he reads to you.

Edit: crit fully work on illusion, but the damage from the item isn't. Daedalus is still an average +35% damage for illusion, that's no joke.

ITT: people who have no idea how to play tb saying not to buy qblade and thinking sny + manta is for the ms

rofl

TB with skadi & s&y ez pz.

Hey guys i just had a newborn baby, what should i build for him?

Why people are coming back to base?

Why you wont do lycan-style suicide jungling to save time?

Fountain heals slow and having no boots is slow, too... If you die and respawn you can instantly go and save half road+ ~20sec of regen time.

@tc
lol, you hypocrite... I was talking about lifesteal option and you said that it is for noobs... But that miracle guy you are copying makes mask of madness himself sometimes :P

one thing i don't see nearly enough terrorblade players do, is break the sange and yasha into heavens halberd, and manta style.

damn theres no end, tb 6.80 wr 53%, tb 6.81 wr 75%, how the fuck is average pub 46
i think on my level its so easy to abuse basic illusion micro, i make a lot of questionable plays and mistakes

I don't know why people build sange yasha on Terror, Helm of the dominator and manta should be your first items, bkb instead of manta if you are having trouble with burst damage.

You can even build Santanic first before manta if you are up against tanky burst heroes.

and so you farm 1 creep / 25 minutes with your illusion, seems fair enough to farm