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xboy

    I picked NP this match because I realized we would have no support and my team would probably be awful, but we somehow pulled it together and won (albeit it might have been because the other team threw). But I just wanted advice on what I should have differently on whatever you can find (jungling efficiency, using treants, etc,) Thanks!

    http://dotabuff.com/matches/68630145

    J-Man

      I'm more curious on how did they lose. And what do you mean by throw?

      xboy

        They lost because they couldn't push t3s due to the fact that I would to to their t2 after creeps spawned and lead them away with treants to abuse backdoor detection. They kinda threw because instead of farming they just remained outside our t3 with no creeps.

        J-Man

          That's more of being dumb than throwing.

          Nethertheless, NP is not my thing, if Viper got a dust early on I"m pretty sure you would've been screwed.

          I mainly look on how the enemy would've done to win rather than how I would be better, sorry. Somone else should help you out on NP

          Julien

            "We have no support and obviously I will not, so I will punish my team for not supporting me".
            -Trench logic

            SalaciousCrome

              You got the ID wrong http://dotabuff.com/matches/686301459 also "The Alien" is a IRL friend of mine.

              Here are some key things you got wrong.

              1. "I picked NP this match because I realized we would have no support and my team would probably be awful" why would you assume that before the game has even started. This is the low tier kind of mentality that will keep you in low tier. As a starter, pick things your team need as this game wouldn't have gone on so long.

              2. For all your assumption of your team doing the worst you seem very little involved in any kind of teamplay and the very low HD & TD tells me that this is the case. Not being selective so I will take my last NP match http://dotabuff.com/matches/680711300 I was the highest hero damage and highest tower damage in the game. You can do a couple of things with either dedicating yourself to split pushing them hard or to ganking non-stop to ease the pressure of the lanes while using your advantage of locations to to be an effective composite of both. You did very little of either of these in your game and you were just farming creeps for no reason.

              3. Using your jungle Treants early game is where a lot of people fail with NP jungle.

              > Attack the same target, don't split your creeps and hero on different jungle targets. Bring down creeps one at a time as fast as possible instead of bringing down the camp at the same time on a much slower pace.
              > If there is sufficient time on the life of your Treants move them back from creep camps so aggro gets swapped to one with more life.
              > Use one creep to stack camps or to pull the lane for your carry in safe

              General Tips:

              > Leave sprout at level 1 in some cases and work your stats early.
              > Always be looking for an opportunity to get a push in, people appreciate this and it will show activeness which will in turn usually concede a win.
              > Try going Mekanism from time to time if you "have no support cause your team will suck".
              > Sprout can be used as much defensively as it can offensively.
              > Manta can be helpful for pushing, try it out.

              Source: I used to play a shit ton of NP http://dotabuff.com/players/90503334/matches?date=&faction=&hero=natures-prophet&lobby_type=&game_mode=&region=&duration=

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