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General DiscussionPOST-TI5 META (PUB games - soloe queue, party ranked)

POST-TI5 META (PUB games - soloe queue, party ranked) in General Discussion
BlackXargon

    So after all the games played in TI5. What would be the emerging meta specifically in Pubs?
    I'm thinking it's going to be team fight based games.
    And the heroes who will most likely get picked are those with many skill sets (not passive based heroes).

    I actually prefer the influence of this TI compared to others where the focus was on farmed carries, stable mids, 4 protect 1 or rat doto.
    This current meta gives shine to all positions. The glimmers, smokes, greaves have become a big part of winning.

    Also, if you noticed all games in the grand finals. Fear made a big adjustment by making sure to TP help always when gank is incoming.
    I hope this enlightens all players including me.

    Zenoth

      people picked leshrac

      people still are going to pick leshrac

      literally no difference

      jus chillen

        naga supports losing games

        Mushi

          Teamfight based games? Yeah speak more when you actually have a team in pubs.

          TripleSteal-

            insane amount of naga supports being absolutely useless

            Chhatru

              Gyro, BH and Lina will see an increase in pick rate. Lesh is already being abused so won't change much. Apart from that don't expect low level players to learn anything from what we saw, there won't be any rotations or smoke plays. Just going to be the same old dota with a couple of heroes who will get picked more often

              Vaikiss`742.

                prettysure people still random and pick worthless shit

                retards be retarded and retards gonna retard

                Last picking is 4 pussies

                  I've already seen a lot more luna picks.

                  BlackXargon

                    well at least, I will try to adjust my play-style.
                    I might spam Gyro so I can have more help to the team as soon as I hit level 6.

                    How do you actually stop a Lesh and a Storm?
                    I don't think a Single Pick can stop them?
                    I'm now thinking, maybe we can bring back the Doom era?

                    Mandalorian

                      Pubs are awful atm. In every single game, even in normal matchmaking, there is BS, Leshrack, Gyro, etc. People tryhard more than ever and you have to really play on top of your game to win.

                      Chhatru

                        Lesh and Storm? AM. He's strong this meta.
                        I actually like Gyro so might spam him too

                        saving private RTZ

                          Phantom lancer.
                          How do you even lose with this hero?

                          bibi

                            ^ have you seen finals? Its rather easy, pick gyro, outfarm pl, aoe the shit out of him with buter bkb and satanic while he only has travels drum and diffusal, lol.

                            strategiccheese

                              I suspect gyro will have a higher pick rate

                              Naga supports who don't know how to properly support as a naga

                              Storm spirit everywhere

                              BlackXargon

                                had a 5 game losing streak last night after watching TI5 trying to play gyro haha

                                Chhatru

                                  Maybe you shouldn't have instapicked Gyro, your enemy teams were basically counterpicking

                                  Vaikiss`742.

                                    what

                                    pl shits over gyro

                                    midgame u just run into him with diffusal and he cant do anything about it

                                    Korrosiv

                                      Super safe picks: Lesh, Gyro, Luna, QoP, Storm, Clock.
                                      Safe picks that have weaknesses: PL, AM, Cyka, Wind, SB.

                                      Game Ruiners THX to TI: Naga Supports, Roaming BHs lvl 2 minute 7.

                                      EDIT: I forgot the number 1 game ruiner since i have memory: rubick insta-pickers. From my experience only 1 out of 15 actually contributes something to the game. They watch all those mlg plays from youtube of stolen blackholes, meracle owning and shit, then fail miserably.

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                                      Rocket

                                        naga supports rushing radiance

                                        Optimus Drip

                                          well, since techies got banned literally every game in grand finals he is op
                                          so i will continue to spam him.

                                          Lavine

                                            yeah in grand finals but he almost never got banned prior to that lol

                                            saving private RTZ

                                              @ morning wood you can say that about any carry lol.

                                              PL just farm manta BoTs diffusal skadi heart while Gyro has only mkb , SnY and HotD.

                                              but 6 slot vs 6 slot flak cannon doesnt do anything cuz illusions spawn too fast ( 50% wtf, every other attack).

                                              And i dont think PL farm less less fast than a Gyro, with BoTs you drums, aquila, Diffusal you already farm very fast.
                                              SO overall PL>Gyro, saying that just outfarm him is not reliable

                                              Crudude

                                                Bounty hunter supports have been used so much lately

                                                Soultrap

                                                  Storm Spirit with Arcane Boots...

                                                  (T_T)

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                                                    Nothing wrong with it, Soultrap

                                                    Soultrap

                                                      "Nothing wrong with it"

                                                      (T_T)

                                                      Dire Wolf

                                                        Can't stand bh supports, it is coming though. Bh support played a ton at TI and with great success, everyone's going to think they are pro sniping couriers now. Bh supports in pubs blow, you might as well be 4v5. They don't pressure anyone, you are just handing offlane to other team.

                                                        http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1700930106

                                                        I've also noticed a lot more blinks on supports and smokes going out. One game other team smoke ganked twice, and in not so obvious times for pubs like not on mid or end game to end, kind of just a mid game smoke, whattttt? And then blinks on pugnas and shadow shamans, gg. I kind of hate when people do this and start playing all amazing n shit. Cus you are fine if you expect it, but then half the players don't do that shit so it messes with you. Like if you play cautiously to avoid a smoke you give up a lot of farm, it needs to be necessary.

                                                        Mockingbird

                                                          Whats wrong with arcane boots on storm? its fine if you want to rush bloodstone before finishing pt isnt it??.

                                                          1 BITCH IS 2 CLOSE TO NO ...

                                                            I kind of like playing lina for now OwO

                                                            Soultrap

                                                              @Please Save My Earth
                                                              If you rush bloodstone on Storm Spirit your inventory will be something like: brown boots + bottle + bloodstone. Great! Now you have regen, but you have no bonus stats at all! PT + bottle + orchid looks much more intimidating for the ~same price.

                                                              casual gamer

                                                                arcane boots storm spirit is the #1 sign that ur mid player is a brain damaged account buyer

                                                                Chhatru

                                                                  ^Sometimes it is viable to rush a Bloodstone if you're confident in your ability to snowball, otherwise Orchid is the safer option

                                                                  casual gamer

                                                                    why would I ever not go treads soul ring and have better farming, better killing, better HP, better everything

                                                                    wow I can get bloodstone 1:30 earlier except I crippled my whole early game to do it

                                                                    same shit as no boots/brown boots BF antimage

                                                                    playinginursockdrawer mm soc

                                                                      confirmed, played with my 500 mmr friend

                                                                      http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1703388557