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General DiscussionShadow Fiend vs Qop

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Shadow Fiend vs Qop in General Discussion
i just wanna have fun

    how to control mid lane and survive as sf?
    cause basicallly qop own

    Kaidax

      How to lose lane to qop as sf? I don't know what's wrong with me, but I've never had trouble with qops. They're all stupid as shit — trying to throw dagger at me, then eat double raze and get rekt.

      Hanter

        ^ exactly lol at level 3 you should zone out qop easily.

        npc
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          Riguma Borusu

            A competent QoP player is going to do everything in his power to delay your levels and early gold, and since she has superior base damage (and that fucking lvl1 dagger hurts), you might find it hard at first. But if you survive the first few levels and aren't denied EVERYTHING, you'll start shitting on QoP. Might need some extra regen to get started though. By the moment you've managed to obtain a bottle and some levels, it should be kinda over for QoP, she should no longer be able to contest you as you simply have better damage potential and blinking in/harassing can backfire for her really bad.

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            Vertoxity

              ^

              It doesn't work like that. You will not shit on qop, qop will shit on you. In order to shit on qop as SF, you need to get first few souls before lvl 3, and you need to use lvl 2 raze on lvl 3 on qop instead of creeps.

              If you end up with less then 15 creeps after you reach lvl 5, QoP is already lvl 6, he killed you and started to roam around few minutes later.

              jo~

                the build is 100% raze first for bottle rush. never go necro build. get a support to block for u preferably. if you lose the block qop can just sit on your hill and zone you, wraith band or not.
                once you hit 3 just keep chipping her with c raze, if she comes for an ss then double raze etc. before 7, use raze to farm creeps extremely sparingly, and only use c raze (and x too, if u really need to), the moment you blow the z raze its an opening for qop. Once qop hits 6 its her power spike you just need to bulk up with treads bracer etc, wtihout that you will get 100-0'd. or you can just go farm stacks.

                matchup is qop advantage 1,2,6
                sf advantage 3,4,5
                bottle raze allows you to break even in the first few waves such that you both arrive at even footing at level 3 where by you can destroy her with razes

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                jo~

                  also qop vs sf its fairly common for qop to get an uphill ward for easy SS spams so you can ask for a sentry if possible.

                  inTENSE11111

                    raze when qop is doing 3 years throwing dagger animation?

                    ILLUMINATION

                      Get an alch support bottle min 00:00 happy SF mid, shared tangos for Alch to get started in jungle/lane