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Chuffy.feeder

    stout shield, 2 branches, tango, salve -> qb -> poorman's shield.
    im feeling so trash that ive just found out this is the build after like 9 years of dota.
    ggwp, ez games.

    Sunshine

      Youre joking.

      SANITY = ECLIPSED

        lmao, always went for double tango instead of salve, now my mmr gonna rise a lot. thx op!

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        arin

          daily reminder to not buy quelling blade as your starting item

          waku waku

            ^ but how are you going to get the lasthits for qb when you can't lasthit without it?

            Синячий патруль

              U r not carry , but support then c:

              sano

                ty

                Soultrap

                  My respect to those who start with tango, salve, ring of protection and stout shield.

                  Pale Mannie

                    I get as a carry 1 ring of protection, 1 tango, 1 circlet and 3 gg branches and build it into magic wand and basilius for the stats

                    sayaka

                      a 7k friend goes mango tango salve stout 1 branch every game as his build

                      sayaka

                        its my personal opinion that the new rop is complete garbage item to start with imo.

                        Soultrap

                          ^Nice one too.

                          matrice

                            So against heroes, pretty much the same, against creep, yeah it's a big deal

                            it shows by how much on average stout is better than the ring, depending on opponents damage, and on your armor
                            (i should have made a 20/15 damage aswell for creep, but there anyway it's more or less 5/6 hp better for stout than for ring / hit)

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                            ii

                              Tango, salve,quelling blade, 1 branch, faerie fire

                              Na`Vi.Miracle-

                                Many heroes I start with 2 tango, 1 circlet, 1 wb recipe

                                sayaka

                                  sounds awful lol
                                  u shudnt ever start qb cos if u are suddenly put in hard lane/contested lane u wish you had a fast pms/stout instead of that useless qb
                                  in any case it shudnt be standard build
                                  starting 2 tangoes instead of tango salve is also really bad unless you have slot issues you should always want to have to different healing option which allows potential for outplay. only except wud be perhaps for morph since his hp pool is garbage

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                                    sayaka

                                      i feel like the nerf from 3 armor to 2 is significant in spite of the 25 price decrease
                                      so you have a very suboptimal item component to start with
                                      in a uncontested lane i would much rather start the recipe circlet since wb>basilus in terms of last hitting and stats etc. if its uncontested i can probably also get off a 20-30 sec clarity which would replace whathever mana needs you would have gotten from basilus. and ive seen from quite a few games when the safe lane is raping the offlane the carry would often choose to go for upgraded boots for more supression power over getting basilus, meaning u are often stuck with that item for long
                                      and if i think it would be a contested lane i would rather get something like 2 branch circlet tango mango salve on a ranged hero, compared to starting with a rop that offers very little value

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                                        Chaoshype

                                          Stout, Quelling, Tango for any farming hero 4ever.
                                          Upgrade to Poor Man's then.

                                          U are all dogshit

                                            ^Rofl gtfo pls

                                            sayaka

                                              xd
                                              those were my opinions only which i typed out for discussion, i dont mean to pretend as if i know much

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                                              cancer

                                                2 mango 4 faerie fire Kappa

                                                matrice

                                                  @VoHiYo overaul it's still a buff, it was 2 armor and costing 225 ^^
                                                  Before getting a bullshit buff for one version, which we can totally forget

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                                                    I still have to play against 2v2 lanes so I pretty much always go stout 2x tango salve branch, then rush a pms cuz lane is almost always bullshit and then build from there.

                                                    arin

                                                      so when do you choose salve over two sets of tangoes?

                                                      plz do

                                                        ^ when ur expecting more nukes than harrass mb?

                                                        matrice

                                                          personnaly i do stout tango tango salve.
                                                          So you can even give some tango to your solo support that had to give tango to your mid

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                                                          arin

                                                            tfw i'm so bad at dota that even hush makes fun of me

                                                            Provocateur

                                                              stout, qb, 1 tango, 2 clarity

                                                              plz do

                                                                i dont have any intentions to make fun of u, arin

                                                                jus chillen

                                                                  shield tango mango salve
                                                                  shield rop tango salve on some heroes
                                                                  shield tngo tango
                                                                  etc

                                                                  hurtbabydontme

                                                                    Pentamango for every hero.

                                                                    MARLAN

                                                                      I think stout, tango, branch, branch, circlet is pretty universal for safelane carry.

                                                                      You don't hog the courier as much and can hey pretty much everything you need from the side shop for 5-10 mins.

                                                                      jus chillen

                                                                        i dont really know about onluy 1 tango, you either have to play super passive or expect regen from supports