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Another one whos crying about little simplification

Isn't this only against bots?

If its online I quite haha

yeah? isnt this only available in bots?

Doesn't say anything about being limited to bot games :(

@Goethe
normal skill players welcome all simplifications

You guys haven't read the patch notes....
This is online now.

GG
U guys have any tips for a new moba(I need something hard,not lol...or dota...)

ye o my god man this changes everything games so simple now wtf. come one wtf this is minor. ok so some potato supp will be able to deward better who gives a shit

Well, casuals are a MUCH bigger audience than hardcore or core players, so get used to it, they don't care about the minority.

Just give people two months tops to find something else to bitch about. Happened before, it's going to happen now, it's going to be like that forever.

Valve is destroying dota 1 patch at a time

You wont even notice that if you are 1v5 carrying your team, stop bitching

Yee i guess it is so bad patch...

You guys should check out purge's opinion on this. It's good and I pretty much agree with him on most aspects.

This doesn't really detract from the complexity of the game (e.g. spawn blocking/tower aggro range will always be there), but the mechanics for this will be more easily available and allow people to better understand the game at a faster pace.

Obviously it sucks if you have already learned all of this before (like me re: spawn boxes), but this would help raise the general skill level of your games and it would give more of a challenge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3fowZbKBgg

I really don't like this kind of change, but tbh I think the spawn box thing is necessary. Otherwise it takes an eternity to learn the boxes if you just do it through trial and error.

@Postitive Attitude Player: You don't do it through trial and error. You get into a custom game that shows spawn boxes then that's where you practice warding. But yeah, the point is that most players weren't aware of this.

the tower range shows just on hovering over tower or selecting it so it's not that bad as league

i think the same people whining about visible spawn boxes are the same ones who whine about supports not pulling/blocking/dewarding camps.

@arin you can enable just pressing alt to show it as well.

I quit dota now, fuck this new ez shit

Give a thought to the newer ppl out there, now it won't take them like a fucking year to learn that kind of shit
Dota is still complex af compared to LoL or shit like that, so don't quit a game or some shit

if you think dota is easy with this added features, win a TI then

^^actually this guy is so fcking true show me your TI OR ANY PRO TOURNEY trophy if u think game is ez

and news didn't have to know
This is going to be a bit overwhelming for new players in a sense.
There was a higher disparity through the skill levels, now the skill level just got closer to the middle.

Long ago you had places to show your skill in dota. Nowadays at the top level it's only about consistency.
Back then on wc3 we saw complexity in mechanics and heroes themselves. On dota2 so many things mechanically got simpler and people who could have been considered skilled vs unskilled were equalized. New things had to be learned to get back on top. Patch after patch dota 2 is getting simpler and more of the current "skill" required switches over from mechanics and personal skill to personality, consistency and game sense as a whole. We see a guy who knew these ranges, now to stay on top he has to learn even more than the guy who didn't know the ranges.

When I started playing dota I really liked it just because of those things that were needed to be good. These days many people who were really good back then and still are really good innately hate dota and can't play long sessions anymore because of what valve has done to it.

You could argue adapt or gtfo, but that is only in terms of winning. It's not in terms of liking the game itself. That leads to even more frustration in games and worse chat quality as people are not as concerned about their own mechanics (because that's long past the time it was the main skill you had to have to win) but can always find things to blame other people for while easily misjudging their own decisions.

My 2 cents

it's ok to show the tricks but having them there 24/7 is like playing bowling competitively at whatever level with those rails on the side!! Put them with bots only and shit, not even unranked should be played like this.

i dont understand why u idiots even care about this
camp blocking radius was available since forever just not in game, everyone probably already memorized the tower range and its target is not that important cause if it targets u u will get hit 1 time anyways, and then change aggro

its nothing like lol, u cant block camps at all in that game and tower range+target is only available in bot/co-op games

its only a feature to make the life of new players easier, if u have more than 500 games and still dont know how to block/deward camps, what the tower range is and how to change aggro u are probably brain damaged

NOW YOU CAN SEE WHERE SHIT IS AND NOT FAIL

NOW YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE TOWER WILL HIT YOU AND NOT PASS THAT LINE, PEOPLE WILL TURN EXACTLY AT THE RIGHT POINT AS THEY CAN SEE YOU GO OVER THE LINE ETC FUCKING BRAINDEAD MONKEY GAME NOW. THERE'S NO OUTPLAYING JUST SYSTEMATICALLY STICK TO WHAT YOU'RE BEING TOLD BY THE FUCKING GAME!

YES CAPS, FUCK YOU ^ (@Y)

Brain-dead people will still dive.

lols i outplayed the enemy by turning when the tower was about to hit me and i didnt even know it was gonna do it XD

too bad sf is not meta anymore i wanted to win some lanes as drow

you can still just dive the enemy shitpicks anyway with right lineup
as long as you don't get 3 tp's in your face which happens disturbingly often

Do you remember the last time Icefrog and Valve gave a sh*t? xD
Keep whining till you realize they don't listen to ya..

Maybe i can profit with those divers 3 man diving the safelane all the time

less aggressive gameplay cancer for EU west

hahahaha the so called pros in this thread complaining about a few updates which YOU have control over whether you see them or not. Nobody has the right to take away help for noobs who don't understand these parts of the game. This is a welcoming change to dota whether you dislike noobs or not. Grow up the lot of you. Pathetic that you are even part of a dota community, its the people that ruin this game not valve! No one respects anymore, just foul mouthed bigots who know everything and look down on those who aren't at their skill level and EXPECT things to be in favour for them. It's a free game and still people are clueless to any of these new ideas they just judge and moan like children.

FUCK YOU! ^ STUPID SHIT like srsly are you brain damaged or what? It's NOT HELP, HELP IS SHOWING THEM SOMEWHERE AND TELLING THEM, Not spamming the map and drawing lines SO YOU KNOW AND NOT PERCIEVE you're DOING GOOD OR NOT

is the update already released btw?

yeah, saw it on a stream

k, thanks

Yes its updated and maybe people should look at the new options and you will find you are completely wrong in what you originally thought!

Siggghhh.... DotA got easier.

Really good update. Skill level should not be the level of "secret knowledge" in that game, just mechanisms comprehension, pick & game strategy and pure skill.

If you drop from pro to noob with this patch... You just wasn't pro at all, just a noob thinking he was good by cheating (using some exclusive knowledge to abuse noobs). ;)

Next patch or two they are going to remove denies, to appease casuals.

This ^ and display range on skills, and have everyone have the same skills and show Cooldowns for everyone to know

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actually we already have bug that shows cooldowns on enemy items.

this is actually shit and you should feel bad if you welcome this shit in the game

Maybe having secret knowledge isn't bad.

Like when music theory used to be secret in medieval times. Now we have Google, and every other coon is an aspiring artist! Overall art quality goes way down, to an all-time low.

But then dota isn't art so nobody cares, except the autists who would go to single player with mods just to learn warding radii (doesn't sound like fun anyway, so technically this update is saving them!)

^Why insulting? Is that wrong if someone wants to know spawn boxes in the only way that was possible (before at least)?

Seriously guys, spawn boxes and tower range were problems only for new players or people who never cared about those things, and after some time you would learn those anyway so i see nothing wrong with this update. Spawn boxes in particular were easy to remember since there are "things" on the map that helps you see it's limits (like bushes, trees and other stuff).

There is definitely nothing wrong with having autism. Unless you mean like physical autism, that shit's a legitimate disorder.

what do you mean dude, erk, this shit is game changing in lanes