puck does no damage, needs lvl 14, and has low scaling potential
and she cant farm
puck does no damage
What are you talking about
needs lvl 14
No it doesn't, once you hit 6 you can pressure lanes with Dream Coil and even before that, her solo killpotential is huge against quite a handful of mids
and has low scaling potential
Yes
and she cant farm
You can hit multiple camps with orb, and even without a veil you can still clear lane waves until minute 27 with your nukes as long as you have Power Treads on blue.
level 4 phase shift is a significant power spike
hero gets dumpstered by mres creep
if my team has puck and theirs has storm/ta all else equal i know the game is lost
bottle nerfs also kill puck
and yeah the hero does no fucking damage. 580 aoe magic damage for mid farm/xp priority and no followup is absolutely pathetic
I agree Puck is quite underwhelming right now, but not complete shit. The only good build on it is the CC build (aghs, euls, shivas) and it even blows on Puck itself.
level 4 phase shift is a significant power spike
When Phase Shift is before level 4 you are expected to be very ahead anyway. You only play Puck if you're fucking fucking good at it
hero gets dumpstered by mres creep
Whats mre
if my team has puck and theirs has storm/ta all else equal i know the game is lost
Storm is going to have a bad time against a very skilled Puck. Also, you can always manage to overwhelm TA by messing with creep equilibrium.
bottle nerfs also kill puck
Every mid I know except OD, Invoker and DK were affected by this change.
and yeah the hero does no fucking damage. 580 aoe magic damage for mid farm/xp priority and no followup is absolutely pathetic
Its in-game potential is highly correlative to mechanical skill and not just bluntly skill ceiling. Its hard to buff or nerf her without being underwhelming or just fucking OP in the eyes of the general public, but in reality, only competitive play has to decide for whatever niche a certain hero is deemed most fit to play on.
Storm is going to have a bad time against a very skilled Puck. Also, you can always manage to overwhelm TA by messing with creep equilibrium.
it's not about who wins the lane
storm can come back by farming up his orchid or blood stone, and then you have storm on your team who is, even after the nerf, pretty strong if played right
on the other hand, you can win the lane as puck and still lose the game because you are not dealing damage in fights, or you can lose the lane as puck and literally be dogshit for the rest of the game no matter what
storm's power spikes are all over the place, he can deal a ton of damage, and he is extremely annoying to deal even lategame, and none of this applies to puck, lategame you can pretty much ignore him and kill everyone else so puck can phase shift in his fountain while you're taking the ancient
puck does nothing with an aegis because his shit will be on cooldown, he can escape but that's about it, storm with an aegis is a force to be reckoned with and you know that once he revives, if you're not positioned to catch and kill him right away in the middle of a teamfight, he'll just keep dumpstering the rest of your team
plus, I hate to say this, but storm's aghs vortex is actually better than puck's fucking ultimate
Puck is out of meta.. To say the least.. We have too many items countering magic burst.. Hod into pipe.. Lotus etc.. They just fuck with Puck.. Also.. Given that stuns and silences are way too common in every game.. Puck gets fucked over.. N lastly.. Ever since sd came into the meta.. Pucks Ultimate is fucked over big time..
"A templar Assasin who loses her lane will definitely find it hard to catch up without stacks"
You can still farm the jungle, now the problem is why you lost the lane in the first place.
^doesn't puck also counter those heroes to an extent, as well? I've seen pucks dominate games against those exact heroes, through by silencing them, and having the damage dealers actually kill silenced targets
but at the same problem, the issue you have is being unable to really kill people on your own during the silence duration, so I get that even though puck would be good against those heroes on paper (all heroes are weak to silence to some degree), puck ultimately fails because it has too little damage to deal afterwards?
sorry but how can you be 2500 mmr below me and think you have more insight into mechanical skill and competetive play iwidhussohsvsugoyacig aitxwicait
I don't, I am well aware I am dogshit, I don't see those matchups as so one sided, just commenting on what I've seen in high MMR streams, I've seen omniknights get rekt by Pucks by silence. But puck would still end up losing lategame so w/e
pucks silence is so bad, shes ok against omni and od if she can get on top of them and is ahead on NW only, void will eat ur burst and diffuse the silence and backtrack it, AM will take 300 damage total and manta the silence off
god forbid ur losing the game, od has bkb, omni has greave, od has sheep, am has abyssal, void has shadow/blink, any of these items and ur worth nothing
shes ok against morphling if she can get blink dagon before his linken (in what fucking world does this happen) because she can dumpster a 680 hp morph instantly
when i see puck succeed she is ahead and lives to cast both spell + dagon 2-3x in fight because her teammates are tanky and scale well so they dont all die
but she cant contribute to rosh and i feel like it puts too much pressure on ur 1 and 3 to get huge while u make space
so puck boils down to having a potential early game impact against heroes weak to silence (who also happen to be squishy, at half hp and out of position, holy shit, this narrows it down so badly), while at the same time being unable to push and accomplish kills on full hp/tanky targets without the team? good grief
I just realized that waning rift is 3 seconds of silence at the max level, I'm probably way too used to seeing drows and nightstalkers silencing people forever, puck can't kill a fucking pre-manta antimage because he will blink out unless he went stats or some shit and blinked on top of puck previously, has half hp or anything along those lines
why would anyone pick this hero, honestly I never played it, I've only seen good players play it and I thought it was remotely useful but now looking back at actual values of puck's skills I'm kinda disgusted at how terrible it sounds, I just never see this hero in 3k so I was curious
EDIT: Oh, I get it. But I'm also almost 2.5k MMR bellow you so I thought it applied to me, rofl
I guess you guys should determine that by its voice actor. The good old anime rule:
If it sounds feminine, it's easy to find a hole to put it in.
puck is shit, i report any pucks mids this meta and instapick something else mid and force them to support. If they don't then well, game is lost anwyay
Qop is shit too, it's infused fucking raindrops guys. At least qop scales a tiny bit better into mid/late game.
Puck is like a cc hero... with no cc. Makes no sense. It's silence is 3 seconds, that's hardly anything, DP's is 6, albeit with no dmg, drow's is 6 with a nice little knockback.
Puck's ult only cc's if they break the coil and even then it's a tiny bit longer than a tide cc, with way less aoe about half, and it does about equal dmg only if they break the latch.
I think a few little tweaks would fix puck easily, just make rift silence for 2/3/4/5 seconds, scale dmg back a tiny bit to 70/130/190/230, buff orb dmg a bit to 100/170/240/310. That's not out of line considering lina fire does 320 dmg, dp crypt swarm does 300, cm frostbite does 300, lich frost blast does 350.
Increase coil latch radius to 450.
I think that would do it, but changing aghs to something better would be cool too, if aghs made rift and orb also stun for 1.5 seconds or something. It'd be like aftershock.
he used to be popular because he was a meta mid pick and people always pick whatever dendi is playing
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How come Puck is 73rd in popularity and only has a 44% WR?
Puck Legit AF lads