General DiscussionWhy is bottle being skipped on SF with new equila-stick-pt-drums-euls...

because its unneccessary

^ Why exactly? It gives you mana regen, health regen, you can pick up runes, etc.. it used to be a core thing on SF not so long time ago.

Also, I see some people completely skip PT and go for travels and some other get PT.

Any reasons when to get or when to skip them?

Thanks

people realized u dont need bottle at all its just a waste of gold in a large % of cases

bottle got nerfed repeatedly for some reason and now its just garbage

its garbage early game + going for runes as sf is a waste of time when u can just get 2-3 clarities and it will suffice for the entire ealy game

until they nerf clarities from the ridiculous spot they are in rn, we wont be seeing bottle again.

i dont think bottle is nerfed per se, its not a item u get on most mids anymore but thanks to new regen mechanics it really restores a lot by midgame, if ure say qop and u get both bounties u can recover ~50-70% of ur hp and mana from that + u get the utility of activating dd haste or regen when u need on whomever u need and u dont even need a slot for it(apart from when ure storing a rune ofc)

compare to the old bottle which by midgame became a dead slot, recovered nothing and there werent 2x runes past 40 mins

im sure people will find the use for it apart from qop/weaver/puck, maybe people will pick it up on supports more

wow, people have finally realized that clarities are better than bottle, who would've thunk.

thunk

our boy cookie doesn't know English anymore

bottle used to regen like twice as much so talk about how it isnt nerfed

did u even read what ive written

6.85
hp restore 135 (110 after 6.86 nerf)
mana restore 70

7.07
hp restore 80*(1+ str * 0.0071)
mana restore 40*(1 + int * 0.02)

akasha lv10 treads[agi] veil str talent @ 50 str 60 int
hp restore 80*(1+ 50 * 0.0071) = 108.4 |vs 135/110
mana restore 40*(1+ 60 * 0.02) = 88 |vs 70

akasha lv15 +orchid @ 60 str 98 int
hp restore 80*(1+ 60 * 0.0071) = 114 |vs 135/110
mana restore 40*(1+ 98 * 0.02) = 118.4 |vs 70

^quick mathsss
Because of mana regen being changed. I like drums too and if it’s justifiable to get it then go, otherwise just rush the euls if we’re talking about magic damage sf here

Thanks for tips. Time to start playing SF without bottle.

Bottle in general isn't very good right now, which is why it's being skipped. Not limited to SF.

i replaced bottle with clarities in that quickbuy bar in shop like 6 weeks ago