General Discussion+5 armor or -40 aspd

I guess, it depends on the lineup.

I guess, for armor heavy lineup +5 armor is less effective than -40aspd.

wat kinda heroes is high armor lineup tho

is dere a list of support heros dat have high armor

i kno rubick has 5 or soemthing

I was referring to whole team lineup as opposed to role wise.

Supports are gonna stay back line(with exception of few bulky front line supports), so this decision mostly impacted by the stats on front line heroes.
Also, if enemy has armor reduction on their team.

As far as I remember, armor changes have highest impact between 0 to 10 or something.
So if my front line heroes have like 8 - 12 armor. I might just grab the -40aspd.

Well, that's the simplest way I look at it.

Just curious what 2 things are you comparing?

ac or shiva which makes my team more liviing

Why not both 🙈

Shivas also has 25% heal reduction from all sources and a active scout/slow ability. Shivas is like a magical utility item.
AC is like a physical based item.

I feel AC and shivas can't be compared directly.

@Floccoustic
I remember I used to make AC, shivas and greaves on spectre. Unkillable "support" spectre. XD

uh don give me dat answer lol

okay ill revise the question
in wat point of armor does +5 armor (15? 20?) is beneficial so that your team wont die to physical attacks or in wat point of attackspeed (200? 250? 300?) -45 asp is already worthless for debuffing enemy cores?

actually not really but gimme math for the master maths

If you were just comparing the +5 armor and -45 AS, in most common cases, I feel +5 armor would be better.

For Armor: Check the table in Damage Multiplier section.

https://dota2.fandom.com/wiki/Armor

You will notice that for + armor at +9 armor it start dropping the dmg value by 2% and it keeps going down.
Armor manipulation is most effective from 0-6(upto 20% dmg reduction), then moderately effective between 6-12(upto 16% dmg reduction), and low effective thereafter(10% dmg reduction for next 6 armor and it keeps going down).

For Attack speed: Check the BAT table and then refer the AS benchmarks in the AS formula section
https://dota2.fandom.com/wiki/Attack_speed

Based on my observations, I'd say -45 AS has highest impact when the AS of enemy is low(upto 300 I guess). At higher end, it doesn't have much impact.

oh my thank you

so after 18 armor ac is pretty carp and shiva is better

tank

i always liked shiva too for murdering enemy