gl, curious about how the results are gonna be like for a noob. Please do keep playing for a bit even after you get your rating to see if you can keep it.
your 3rd game where you got into "very high" must be at the very bottom of the bracket... probably right there at 3700 just look at how shitty the dire is at last hitting.
@X6
It's posted on the top corner.
On the third game, our bane and doom were pretty good players from what I saw. I wonder how doom got into "Very High" by splitting 4 games 50/50. My theory is that CS and general XPM / GPM is also factored into the equation pretty heavily.
@TakenForce
When you finish the game? or in your match history?
If u post a photo u'll make me happy
People have no idea how MM works, if you do even remotely well on a new account(any person who has played more than 100 dota 2 games) it will automatically shoot you to Very High due to the anti smurf system. The anti smurf is designed to remove smurfs from new players asap to prevent new players games from being ruined and quitting early. 99 times out of 100 your smurf will have a higher BASE MM than ur main BUT if you continue to play that smurf it will gravitate back to your main account. This experiment has been done thousands of times and every single time it is the same. All you end up doing is ruining games for people by not performing at the level you should be at.
If what you say is true, the only people I'm hurting are other smurfs. Dota2 also doesn't queue new players up with players at 1000+ games. What I'm testing is not if I can get to the same MMR as my main account, but if I can get higher by playing the heros that I'm good at playing.
You are completely wrong smurfs will ALWAYS get a higher BASE MM than their main account, that is just how the anti smurf algorithm works. You will start ruining games for legit players because you will be higher than your true MM and will cost people games until you drop back down to your true MM. Like I said this has been done THOUSANDS of times, you are not a special snowflake.....
What constitutes a "Legit" player? Other players that also smurf? The fact that I'm grinding ~150 games of normal MM and only play 10 calibration games of ranked means I won't be queued up with players like you. If you claim that all smurfs go back to their original MMR, then I won't be "ruining" the games of other smurfs because they will also reach their original MMR as well. I don't see the problem here besides your hostility and flawed argument.
"Dota2 also doesn't queue new players up with players at 1000+ games."
Errr...It does this all the time with me? And then I get the 1000+ gamers whining about my 87 wins (Since wins are all you see when you check someones profile in game).
you will que into legit players once you start playing ranked. The only reason u are playing against majority smurfs atm is because they are the only people doing unranked
Allright taken, yeah you'll hurt other smurf, but once you hit the mmr, let's say you got lucky and got over 4k. You'll fucking ruin the games for these guys who actually are legit and played many games at that level of mmr. Everybody who has a brain knows that the calibration system is broken and put shit players too high.
There's no way a 3.7k like you is worth a 4k and you have to accept it. Yes, you'll have those games where you do good and your team bad, everybody has their shit games but overall you'll have more shit games than these guys.
And for what you told Sampson, ''If you claim that all smurfs go back to their original MMR, then I won't be "ruining" the games of other smurfs because they will also reach their original MMR as well.'', you won't ruin fucking smurfer cause let's be honest smurfers are retarded but you'll ruin the games of the people who actually deserve their mmr because once you're 4k, you'll play with other 4k even if they are not smurf.
the problem is not the smurfing itself, its when you are in ranked in a higher mmr than you should really be, you'll start ruining games because you're clearly not that skilled, its the same shit as buying accounts
My best games are in Very Hiigh, so i just need wards and soon Flying courier for have a good game.
He fed last time with SF 0-27 in high bracket. Are you really sure his best games are there?
retarded player like you end up getting matched with me and ruin my games when i play unranked, since mm thinks, oh look 3 wins and 100% winrate, he must be 5k!!!! ~~~
Gj keep experimenting. Sad to see smurfin' is the only way us club players sub-3.7k mmr players get to enjoy VH games. Those of which who are stuck on just HIGH forever. I felt like that too when i played solo que. Back in the day, before ranked it was being matched with worst players who are queing up together to under 300+ win accounts etc...
Actually Sampson is not like that
Let me explain myself, in your main lets say that you have 4k mmr, now if you start to play unranked or you start to get better at the game you will improve but your mmr will not follow you, so now you could 2 things, or grind games in your main until you reach your actual mmr or you can create a smurf account to go really high thanks to the anti-smurf sytem and after that fall a bit.
In numbers: that guy is 4k but he doesnt play ranked, he creates a smurf and goes to 5k and he falls back to 4.6k ( his new actual rating )
He could have grinded to 4.6k in his main ? sure but if he thinks that creating a smurf is faster whatever man
I think was Wink that said that he had a friend with 2k mmr or something like that, he only played inhouses, so when he created a smurf he got 4k and he stayed there
Sampson im in 3.6k on my shitty smurf, 4 wins in a row playing pa, destroyer, rubik and windrunner.
BACK TO MY REAL SHIT MMR MY 4K GOD
Good luck OP. Even if you get calibrated higher than your original MMR and you slide back., you will learn more from these games than you ever would by playing against players with equal or lower to your true rank.
@Dorkly
If you dont play ranked at all OBVIOUSLY you MM will not reflect your skill level. These 'experiments' are done by people who ARE playing ranked though.
Game 4 evaluation:
Another game of "Very High" skill level. Even though it doesn't say it directly on the match description, the dotabuff of the players tell me its about ~4k MMR I think. Overall, the game was won pretty convincingly by us. They took the early lead and landed firstblood on my SF with a Visage gank. However, they were unable to push highground into my team about 20-30 minutes in. We teamwiped them twice and won mid-late game.
Just keep on stomping and you'll meet 5k+ players even if you don't intend to do so.
Game 5:
Easier than game 4. The pudge mid felt like a 2k mmr player. Missed 4/4 obvious hooks during the laneing stage and was able to take control of the whole game as PA.
Lol Very High is like 3600, i don't know why people make a big deal of it
I wish dota buff could differentiate between lowpro and normal tho
Mid lane was taken so I played support Kotl and jungle doom. Both games didn't go so well. All the lanes were losing and we couldn't come back from the deficit.
KotL is not the best support hero in solo pubs but I see you played with PL so it was understandable. He can not do much if other lanes needs help etc.
Game 7: another Very High skill game (Checked the Dotabuff of other players). I dominated the tinker mid and our pudge shut down the safe-lane void. Overall, it was a really good game by my team.
Even with the two losses and horrible KD, I seem to still be in about the 4000-4500 range. I guess those losses didn't really matter much
@above, yes, I picked Kotl because I saw a PL and though we can pull off some split push mid-late game. However, we lost really horribly early game so that plan didn't really work out.
^Well you cant do the same with the hero so
I love people talking like unranked is 5 k agaisnt 1k
btw yeah i agree to your reply to my first post
Game 8:
Very bad wraith king going basher first into hyperstone. Top lane fed 5 kills early-game while I outlaned the bane mid. I think we lost because they outpicked my SF with brew, bane and PL. I couldn't do much mid-game even though I was the most farmed and highest leveled among my team.
I think i should explain something to OP, seeing as you're confused what MMR represents.
Getting higher mmr doesn't mean ur going to get matched with "more skilled allies" against "more skilled opponents." What it really means is that you have to carry more weight on your shoulders. I've lost count of the number of games where I lost due to beyond horrible allies at 4500-4900 MMR (which is my MMR range).
Now take someone who is 5500+ MMR and have them play on my account. Would he win some of those games I lost? Definitely.
MMR represents your ability to win games. It doesn't translate into "dota skill" or whatever you think it means (monkeys-forever, a well-known pubstomper in NA, reached 6k in the previous patch yet his actual skill is nowhere near the skill level of pros like EE/Dendi/Fata/Loda)
What I'm getting from your post is "lol 3.5k is shit, I think I deserve higher." You're most likely going to be disappointed by the fact that once you reach 4000 MMR (or whatever your gold standard benchmark is), you're going to see the same level of retardation, with one caveat - the system expects you to carry those same retards, with GREATER consistency than at 3500. It doesn't matter if you go 20-0 on Sniper, if your throne dies first you lose the game, and you can say bye-bye to 25 rating.
At 3.5k you get 3.5k opponents, at 4k you get 4k opponents. Your opponents will be more competent while you will still see retards. It doesn't matter if you are 4500, 5000, or 5500, retards are everywhere. The only difference is how likely you are going to win given your current rating.
How do I know this? I've smurfed a few times and my first games at 3000 (starting point for unranked) almost always had 1-2 horrible feeders and leavers. However, being a 4700 player, I can carry 1v5 against players at 3000 (and I can do this consistently till something like 4300 rating, at which point my win rate drops to something modest like 55-60%). On the other hand, a 3000 player would almost be guaranteed to lose those games simply because s/he cannot adequately carry those awful players.
Good luck but I don't think you will end up at more than 3800/3900 unless you abuse the calibration games.
If you want, I can boost your account to 4000 for free (I kind of miss playing in the lower bracket to be honest, and I'm not interested in feeding on a smurf to do so), and then tell me how it is. Remove your cosmetics/hats or whatever if you think I'm scamming you lol.
Who knows? You might be able to maintain 4000 but the general consensus on any dota 2 board is that you'll fall back down to ur original rating (3500). Based on the evidence I've seen, at least a small % of players who are unable to raise their rating could still play at a higher rating and maintain 50% win, though you'd have to be the lucky few.
I'm not interested in having someone boost my account to 4k. There's no reason to juice up my mmr when I already have access to 4k+ games when I'm queued up with friends. I'm surfing to find out if I can reach 4k+ solo queuing the whole time.
EDIT: After game 11, I'm already level 6. It helps A LOT that these higher skilled players generally all buy compendiums. Level 13 shouldn't take too long when I'm getting about 400 BP per 40 minute game.
In terms of progress, I think I'm at about 4000 mmr. The enemy solo queued bristle back is on dota2toplist @ ~4000
http://dotabuff.com/players/99616936
http://dota2toplist.com/players/30357
interesting find OP
funny thing is i'm 4700 and i ran into one of the players on ur last account playing on a smurf just now, even though I actually don't get matched with/against 4000-4500 very often
looks like it can go both ways (anti-smurf not shooting me to 4500-5000, while "overshooting" you)
I never said I cant raise my MMR legit. I don't play as many ranked games on my main account because of the lack of motivation.
(+-) 25 points every game makes it extremely difficult to rise up quickly even when maintaining a respectable 61.72% winrate in ranked.
I actually started at 3200-3300 after calibration and went up to 3500 by playing a few ranked games.
Besides, smurfing has generally a negative connotation and people generally argue that one will remain about the same MMR on their smurf account. I decided to do it just out of curiosity.
There was a reddit post that inspired me to do this experiment http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1vve56/result_of_making_a_smurf_to_test_how_accurate/
'people generally argue that one will remain about the same MMR on their smurf account. '
NO you will 9 times out of 10 have a MM HIGHER than your main after calibration BUT you will drift down closer to your MM after you play a decent amount of games.
You will ignore that fact and end ur calibration at a higher MM and say GOTCHA MM is broken and end it there
The thing you need to know about smurfing is you'll play around 100 games I think before getting to lvl 13. Of course you'll be higher, you had practice and started agaisnt bad people/normal games. 100 games with your 60% win is around +250 mmr, I mean feel free to smurf all you want, but if you really didn't deserve to be around that area +- 500 mmr, you would have around 80-90% win.
Good luck on your experiment tho.
I'm kind of trying the opposite and now i wondering if i'm went about it wrong not going mid for all my starting games.
I play cores almost exclusively on my main in the MMR range of 2871-3608 (last 3100). Thing is most of lost games on the account could be won if the supports or semi carries roamed to make easy kills but it something you see only in like 1 out of 10 games. Finally had enough and decided to smurf and see if I can end up and stay at a higher MMR playing mostly roamers.
Playing support / offlane is harder than carrying in pubs. You generally are at the mercy of your team's carry UNLESS you play it the correct way and actively communicate to set up kills. Passive supports don't really contribute anything to the game. Roaming is more tiring to rank up because I feel like you must get your team to play with you- a pretty difficult task in pubs.
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Hi guys. Since my classes are over and I'm free for the most part of this summer, I will do a smurfing MMR experiment. There has been many people who claim that they calibrated to about the same mmr but I wanted to test this myself.
Brief Information about me:
I'm a 3.5k mmr player on my main account. I have been playing Dota since February of 2013 so I'm still relatively new at the game compared to other players. I have 1100 hours on my main account with roughly 1000 games played. I am definitely constantly trying to improve in the 1100 hours- of which I probably played 300 hours of single draft, trying to learn the heros.
Why I am doing this:
I feel like I can be at a higher MMR if I play more high impact heros. I was sub 47% winrate on my main account during the period I spent learning the game. After starting to actually try harder, I moved to around a 52-53% WR.
Link to my main account:
http://dotabuff.com/players/43213614
Link to my smurf:
http://dotabuff.com/players/180745639
So far after three games, I feel like I'm already experiencing some results. I have been playing SF mid and the skill bracket of my third game is already calibrated to "Very High". However, on my main account, I'm stuck in the "High" portion of MMR.
I do feel like the players at the "Very high" skill bracket don't compare to the "High" bracket on my main account. I was able to completely destroy a Storm Spirit mid when I will be having a more difficult time on my main account.
In the end, I do expect a higher MMR. If i continue to level 13 while playing only heros with high impact or heros that I'm good at, I should be able to see some differences.