Well, it seems that I am in the higher bracket (very high, as dota2 thinks), but I still get to play with complete retards.
I think Valve takes everything into the account, WIN/LOSS with certain matches(credits you more if you win against higher mmr team), K/D/A and etc...
Most of the time I try to go solo mid with a mid-game ganker to dominate the game solo or if there is a guy who is willing to properly support take a safe carry like AM/VOID.
If you're full with retards try to get a hero that can set the path for game. For example, take gondar go offlane and force ganks once u're level 6... or take enigm/furion jungle and gank the lanes. Or just fill the role the team lacks. If enemy has lots of push, take an antipusher if they have late heroes take an mid hero.
Most of the time I loose is because people cannot understand what to do at a current state of the game. They cannot see the advantage they should use to win right away.
The easiest way to win is to play a with a decent friend who will either 1. solo mid and you farm 2. you and him carry/support
Yeah, i always try play with a friend or party. i totally get what your saying but like 60-70% of the time theirs always random pubs that pick carries straight up and im forced to play support - tank, and what do you know we lose +_+. but awesome advice ill just play heroes that should be able to set up the game mid-late to give us a better chance :D
high bracket = 2000+ rating
very high = 3000+ rating
selecting experienced player when you make a new account places you at 2000 rating
as for the top rated games
stack and win a lot or just win a lot
any hero in dota/hon can be play tank,support,carry,nuker,disabler based on your items and what your team needs
keep that in mind when you play mmr solo que
u should know wut the team lacks, and try to advice or suggest some heroes for ur team m8s..
i get this problem (playing with 3-5 carries on team), but i try to tell them wut to buy, like if we had void, AM, and BS, i tell BS to go forcestaff build, its like a support, instead of radiance, and let AM go vanguard build, and not fury build, void can be given the farm to carry..
But sometime the situation is frusturating and i give it up :S
but i usually get this problem when playing with my friends(fully retarded friends) -.-'
um, I have 4 accounts, and all 4 got into HIGH from normal after 2 wins straight. Just go huskar/TA and dominate the tards all game, and you go straight to high. Now very high, no idea how many you'd have to win in a row.
^ I agree with this. My very first game I picked naix and went 21-1. Next game chose huskar and got 20 or so kills. Probably went straight to high after that.
Looking at your wins/losses ... if you can't get into high after that many games then you are doing something very wrong in terms of game style.
i've been in some high bracket games. i was playing with my mates and we won like 4-5 games in a row then our last game was high bracket. I think it might also be cause im 49% winning. i'm trying to get about 50% again. It's just hard cause i understand i should pick heroes that complete stomp the other team. but im not one of them people to just pick the hero straight away i wait till my team picks so i can work in with them, and they always end up failing.
^, wtf is this, the ones who pick a hero the moment your announcer announces ALLPICK can be countered very easily, its much better to w8 until u see wut they gonna pick, as most of the time the ones who pick first pick carries bcus they think they r BurNing, sometimes a person gets horny on a hero and starts picking him every game, he however gets countered very easily and gets raped regardless him being a gd player..
a moment i got addicted to tinker (atm), and i usually pick him at the very early of the game, the first thing the enemies do is pick Nyx Assassin(very high skill lvl players do this instantly), this guy is so annoying for tinker..
then i stopped doing this, now i w8 and see wut they gonna pick, but ofc SHOUTOUT that u want mid or carry or etc. role..
PS(if u checked my dota profile) im not a noob tinker, but my win rate with him is bad, rating in dota 2 is 3.75-4/5..
well that's the people i'm getting either its one fucking random pub noob that randoms and can't play the hero or a whole fucking team that randoms and can't play their heroes, or a team that fucking picks a hero straight away, which are usually noobs that pick carries and they always lose the game. they feed early and do nothing mid-late game. i seriously don'y know what to do after that cause you can tell it's like a fucking auto-loss right their. sad life.
I was close to getting 51% win rate and probably getting closer to High but unfortunatelly I was some luck in getting with noobs that ruined the game and made me lose 12 out of 13. All there Single Draft but talk about luck that I had to be in the losing team. I was doing OK in all games till shit started to happen and ended up ruining my rating. I don't think I ever get a chance to play with good players at this rate :(
^^ i feel ya, if i could i would always party up with mates. The thing is their not always on and im forced to solo que.
what do you mean by high bracket? im at 54% wr and i dont feel like at i'm at high bracket at all.
Every game gets harder. But I don't see my name on High bracket on watch tab. Maybe I'm just a noob? hahaha and I'm stuck here on normal bracket. LOL
I was struggling with this as well and was tired of the "normal" crowd. I picked Drow, because in normal games he gets left alone a lot letting you win the game "solo" as another poster already stated. I played stats / damage (no frost arrows). Because you can beat most heros this build and it ramps up faster than any other. It's better for stopping people who try to gank you as well and destroys towers.
I have now successfully played 3 games in higher won 1, lost 2. Out of the two I lots 1 person stole my items from courier, and the other one I lost 3 players went afk within the first 10 mins because they got their asses handed to them.
That being stated: I muted people every game, and report more than I should have to. If you don't you will get reported and muted to no avail. Most people in normal games can't understand it if you aren't playing a cookie cutter build, so thus the aforementioned.
That being stated once I got to around +35/40 wins I started getting into my "high" games. I will keep playing drow until I can get middle of the tier that way if I slip I wont get thrown back into normal...(I really hate that crowd...seems like a bunch of baddies and league of legends players)
Lol but your Drow is horrible. Judging by your average GPM/KDA you don't even belong in high. 1.6 KDA with the easiest carry in the game which happens to be one of the most broken heroes right now? And that skill build is awful, you need max frost by 7 because 60% slow is also too strong.
Anyway it seems that 90% of the people playing this game have Dunning-Kruger and are self-serving biased, always blaming others for their losses. You go to top MM by either stacking or playing good. A good solo queue player will have 54-55% win and be in top MM easily, if you're not there it means you have to up your play and sway more games. You've lost a game where you went 9-5 with luna? Too bad, a comp player would go 15-3 there and win easily, there's the difference. At the end of the day you're where you belong and if you keep thinking that you're playing the best way possible and the only thing that's keeping you from being a top playa is ''retarded allies'', then you're gonna stay a bad bad bad player no matter how long you play.
^ what he said. Really stupid build, no wonder your teammates want to report u. Drow should go for frost arrow simply because of the slow. What cookie cutter build? If you aren't farming nc continuously there is no reason to go that build. Is your last hits that bad??
Heck even when I play qop I buy a bottle at Lv1 and have no issue with it.
If u need to train last hits, open your own room, pick sf, 0 items 0 skills and farm at mid. best practice.
@ swiftending, i get what your saying. but the thing is if you have a good team you'll have no problem of getting 15-3, hence your team is good > you play good.
and if your team is bad, you'll obviously get 9-5 as opposed to 15-3, you can't tell me that if you had a bad team and you went 15-3, you'd win against the opposing team, The thing that really pisses me off with the mmr is that it's so one sided, like i don't care bout loseing if i genuinely get beat cause that makes the game fun knowing your team is as equally skilled as the opposing team. but ill be honest im not some pro or anything i dont go in games getting 20-0 but i know im a decent player and majority of the time the solo games i play are so one sided you know in the first 10-15 min if your team is good or not, theirs no middle ground. either your team plays good or your team feeds, and like if its one guy then its like ' alright just having a bad game thats cool' but its never one guy. its like 2-3 people in the team thats shit
It doesn't matter as much weather you win or not. The MM accounts everything, K/D/A, and generally just how well you do in a game. At one point I had a 49% winrate but was still playing in the Very High bracket. I'm sure winning helps, but it's not the only factor. The MM is pretty accurate. If you're in normal, you probably deserve to be. Same goes for High and Very High. As you become a better player you may move up, but note that even when it feels like your teammates are retarded, they may be thinking the same thing about you. Everyone has bad games, I'm sure if I dug through your game history I could find some games that you played poorly, and I promise your teammates were thinking "Why am I getting queued with this noob."
350 games in and still just a 'normal'. I started with absolutely no knowledge of MOBA games, not a single clue and jumped straight in to some games. It didn't go well.
I have no read some guides and played a fair few games, mostly with a few select heroes so I could work out wtf to do and wtf was going on.
Now at 52% win ratio, (Yay Lich!), and still feel like I'm a terrible player. Like, really bad at times.
Then comes the match where I die once or not at all and think I'm doing good...hah, rubbish. Got a good carry to support, that's all.
I've played a small percentage as a stack...mostly with bad results, (stack with baddies is not as good as solo queue with goddies), but most games on my own. I always try to get some communication going which helps a lot, who da thunk co-ordination would help in a team game!
Maybe one day I shall climb to higher levels but for now i feel I'm still learning and still have a hell of a lot to learn at that.
Normal feels warm and fuzzy, send me up and watch me cry.
Just to give an idea. I got on this old account that was 20-24. It took 14 games to get it to High from normal (12 wins, 2 losses). On the other hand, a brand new account, it's enough to dominate just 2 games, to get into high. So similar to TSR on dotacash, and ELO, the more games you have, the slower the game will progress you (it seems to know where you're at, and every win means less, as does every loss). If you have 350 games, and still in normal, but BELIEVE you should be in High, well make a new account, you'll get there faster.
If you mean those garbage in game brackets its easy . i got from high to stable very high after going 16/4 in 20 games but in vh u got shitload of premades so its better to stay high/normal if u solo q only
I'd take murs's advice. He consistently plays at a higher level than most of us here, plus all his accounts are over 60%.
On this account ( main steam account for games ) i have half of the hero pool with around 4 performance bar, still normal bracket. On two of my smurfs i am in high ( ~50 matches(got there in 1 match and stayed there)) and my other smurf in very high ( ~300games(got there at around 50-100 matches))
I use this one while solo and the very high when i have friends to stack.. Sometimes even solo there after raging from this one.
On this one i choosen the mid option, regarding experience.
On my first account I chose inexperienced (because I have only played HoN for a month during it's beta) and it's stuck in normal bracket. I made second account when my first account has been sent to LPQ due to abandonments (some of you may be aware of the bug that doesn't let you reconnect that has been there for over 6 months and still has not been fixed). My second account was in high bracket after about 10 games (stable after about 20) and stable in very high after about 50-60 games (I play only support heroes, which might explain it a bit).
I asked on the dev forums whether they could tell me what the ratings on both accounts are and why they seem so different. Mod said that Valve looked into it and claimed that there was nothing extraordinary in those ratings considering my performance on both of them. They advised me to "play just as well" on the first account. I don't think that's possible. High bracket gives you challenging opponents - normal bracket gives you challenging teammates. Yes, you still get your fair share of bad players and complete retards in the very high bracket, but I've never had games where 3-4 of my teammates did not know how to play (just now I had a game on my first account where 1 guy was AFK for 80%, the other 20% he fed their carry; then there were 2 guys feeding top and only Sniper knew how to play at all; I was the only support).
Something's not right with Valve's matchmaking when two accounts by the same player have completely different ratings (600 games on the first one and about 150 on the other).
EDIT: I see that the poster above has had the same experience as I. Something's fishy with how the matchmaking works.
i got into very high in just 8 games -.-'
and the performance bar is only in ur skill lvl, its written above it "Your performance bar shows how well you played each hero compared to other players at your skill level."
thats why u might see a newbie with a 4 bars invoker, and a much better player with just 3.5 or so
i play very high ranking on my main and rarely see a difference ( sitting om 53 % win, which is average for good pub player without pro stack ) to high games. balanced games are rare and when i find myself on page 1/2 watch tab, games are stomps from either side depending on which team has bigger stack.
thats dota balance.
From what I read at http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=29937 (Official Dota 2 forum and matchmaking thread):
Q: What makes a "high quality" match?
Originally Posted by blash365
a perfect match in a perfect world is where everybody has the same (correctly measured skill).
a "high quality" match tries to get as close as possible to that result.
Therefore it doesn't matter what your skill rating is as a "High Quality" match could be 10 lvl 1 players with 0 games between them. All it means is that there is a balanced level of skill distributed on both teams.
This is how I thought it worked anyway.
Often I solo queue in high skill bracket and only I can say is just play better.
Improve your understanding and game sense as well as your mechanics. Stop focusing W/R and be better. Use your skills efficiently, try to be one step ahead your opponents and get rid of tunnel vision. Look at minimap more. Try last hit more. As I said just overall play better.
Previously I was in normal and apparently I improved some and high now. All the points that I mentioned are improved for me. I understand it when I look behind.
There is no magical way to be in high bracket.
I don't know yesterday i played a very high and for me looked like a really really bad game
full of trolls and won at 21 mins https://dotabuff.com/matches/104296341
atm im sitting at high
ingame i got 601w 599l 31a(due to connection)even if dota buff say 00 03
I'm starting to think that Maybe the commends do something for the match making i got like 50 on each category
This is my oldest account.. And even after 950 games im still in normal pool.
My friend had this hypothesis, to chk it out i made a new account n voila i hit very high in less than a weeks time.
My conclusion :
If u already played a lot of games before mm was implemented ur likely to remain in the normal pool for some reason, regardless of ur performance. So if u feel ur stuck on the pool u dnt deserve to be in id say make a new account and stomp the opponents.
can someone answer me?.please
i created this acc and i played 10 games maybe...solo mm
then suddenly i play against Lgd.pajkatt.int how does sa mm in dota2 work?
he`s 1k wins ffs >.< please explain..
see my only game bane elemental for proof in this acc..thanks
@zj
most likely this is because the SEA servers have a rather limited player pool. Finding the right match for you in a pool of 100k+ players is alot more likely then finding one in a 10k+ pool. In other words, if the MMR deems you to be in the lower end of the top 20% of the SEA players this might still mean you'll get queued with the very best if the current pool is small enough.
Even so, if you're playing really well, getting to Very High, at least according to other posts here and on reddit, getting into Very High is a possibility even on EU and US servers.
I'm reading some of the post and all I see is people making excuses as to why they're losing and not being able to move out of their brackets. Maybe some of you should just face the fact that you might not be as good as you think you are. Don't assume you're decent as a player if you play 700+ games and have under 50% winrate.
Everybody deals with the same issue of having retards on the team, No one is getting singled out here. The difference between a shit player and a good player is that the good players have the skills to progress. It is not always a matter of effort, but a matter of skill!
i' m playing in very-high bracket and guess what, there is a lot of epic retards here, valve just kidding us
I think Valve's MM was built around speed not the actual players skills therefore i think everyone will get random russians/noobs in their games quite often.
When i made my account they didn't ask for player skills
I am stuck in normal bracket. You could say i probably deserve it, but by observing some high/very high pub games i see not much difference in their games and mine So i think those normal/high/very high does not have anything to do with MM. It could be just for observers calculated after the match or something ...
If you want to see which games were played in High, or Very High you just search for your name and the bracket you want. You do this inside the Dota 2 client. Go to "Watch" tab then "Recent Games" tab. Then click "Filter" to search.
I think the "Very High" games have more of a problem with new accounts that dont belong there getting in. This is because there are very few players good enough to consistently play in the Very High bracket. So its hard to fill a match will ten legitimate "Very High" all the time. Instead players who are bad get in with friends. This happens in the "High" matches also but is much more diluted because there are so many more players legitimately at "High" rating.
@@I think the "Very High" games have more of a problem with new accounts that dont belong there getting in. This is because there are very few players good enough to@@ agreed.
I'm a solid Very High player on my usual account (8/10 games are very high). So to test the accuracy of the MM skill detection I've started this new account.
As expected I played 4 games in normal when I first started, then it moved me up to high league which I stayed at for 5 games. By my 10th and 11th game I'm already in the Very High League. So I am more inclined to argue that players are being placed in their leagues fairly accurately.
I agree that someone who belongs there can get in with a few games. And that's good. But what if your Bronze Level friend started a new account and played with you those first 10-15 games. Then both of you would be in Very High (assuming you could carry him). That's the problem we are referring too. It happens in a greater % of games in Very High because there are fewer players with stable Very High accounts.
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Hey, been playing dota for a while just wanna know how to get into the high skilled brackets, im finding trouble cause every time i play usually solo que, sometimes i get a team which are decent and know what their doing other times i get a team that is absolutely brain dead. Like if it was one person i would just be like " oh your playing bad" and wouldn't care that much, but after i win a few games i get really shit players.
just wanna know what i can do start having better games and how some good people get into the high bracket system :D