Some one who belongs to very high can get there if he starts a new account
But if he starts playing on a 100 games played account he'll have a hard time getting that account to very high.
I doubt 5 games, but probably 15. Maybe 10 if you won all ten. I can take some bad account and win 5 in a row and get to High. But I can't win 5 more in a row in High and get to Very High because I'm not quite good enough to be in Very High consistently. You have a win streak of 14, that is very hard to do if you are not really a top 2% or better player. The MMR does move pretty fast in you win a long streak of games - they get much harder after 4 or 5 wins in a row.
I think that matchmaking doesn't just take skill level into account, as I queued into high queue within two or three games on this account, but i still regularly play with retards. But I seem to play against better players on my main account, which is only in mid-high queue, but on this one, I only play in high queue.
Why offer a challenge no one would even consider? 100 games + for $100 is $2/hour of work at best. If you really wanted to bet on it. Just have him start with a "beginner" account and have someones little brother lose the first 5. That's plenty to get it down to the very lowest MMR. Or if you are argueing for the "Momentum" thing give him a well established Bronze account. I easily move between High and Normal in just a few games of playing my best heroes going up or my worst going down. And this name has over 900 games so I'm sure there is no difference in how flexible your MMR can be despite having lots of games.
One factor that may be important however is the Battle Bonus item. It may move your MMR faster in addition to giving you "levels" faster. Have not tested that - just guessing. Has anyone tried it?
I have been in normal/high and now I am in VH. There are several ways to go there from my experience. First: You are very good at a certain role - solo mid (own mid game 90% of the games), carry (get a big item every 12-15 min even under pressure), support (own/gank early 90% of the games, doesn't die and have a strategic thinking of what sup items the team needs to win) etc.
Second: You are decent with almost all (viable) heroes. Then you need to pick wisely. Try to understand what the other team will be good at and how they will win and counter it. If they are imba pushers - take kotl, if your team's carry doesn't have a chance against the other team's carry late game - don't pick support - pick mid game, so you can pressure the enemy, so you carry can at least outfarm the enemy's. Etc etc. Dota is a fun brain game - play it.
So I got interested in win streaks as a measure since a long win streak is really what gets you into Very High. And presumably each game longer in the win streak would be harder. I have 7 games, which is enough to get to High consistently but not Very High. Vaikiss'742 is a consistent Very High player and has a 14 game win streak. I know Murs is extremely talented and he had a 26 game win streak on his 83% win account, 17 win streak on his main non-tryhard account. Comparing to a few actual pro players...
I think its clear that if you can get much more than 12 wins in a row with solo queing you can get as high an MMR as is possible. Beyond that its not going to be too relevant since there will not usually be players good enough to match against you. I'm not surprised to see Burning, TC, Jeyo, and Merlini at the top of this list but I think Universe must have been stacking to get that 43 wins streak. He has not impressed me as being that amazing. Also if you are a consistent "Very High" player you will be facing actual pros in your games, some on main accounts and some on aliases.
Of course there is a huge difference between what an individual pro-level player can do and what a pro team can do. But it looks like most of these guys played solo que most of their games.
So I started out playing DOta with literally no idea about moba games at all. Didn't read guides, didn't do any homework at all...bad idea. What's a last hit please? Kinda level. Naturally I was shocking and ruined a fair few games for my poor teamates.
Then I decided I liked this weird little game and did some research and read some guides and became knowledgeable enough to become somewhat of a useful member of a team of low skilled noobs...ish.
Anyway, my point is this. I managed to get like an 8 win streak and have had a few in that region over time, I now have over a 50% win ratio from like 300+ games, mainly from solo queue.
Every game I've ever played has been in normal. I really don't think I'm a 'high' kinda guy yet as I still do stupid things and stand in stupid places and don't look at the mini map enough and all sorts of other things making me poo, but I'm getting there slowly.
I'm going to start a new account and see what happens. Maybe play Drow for 10 games in a row and see where it takes me.
if u play with amatuers like i do its really hard to keep winrate high and stable
if play with pro players then its quite easy to win multiple games in a row i have alt account which has 27 wins in a row (purely played with my team only)
http://dotabuff.com/players/60436138 as u can see first 27 games (all played with ppls who have 1000's of games (average enemy game amount 1300) (average my team game amount 1000~)
as long as u have team who knows what are they doing and ur playing to win u can win hundreds of games w/o losing unless u get matched against same stack who does that even better
I checked it out. Universe super long win streak is all stacks with March (regular pro standin) and at least one other pro-player on their team (usually members of EG and Dignitas). This all took 3 days. It was probably part of some boot-camp type practice thing.
Some of their games were victories over other multiple pro-player stacks near the end however, which seems fairly legit.
public games bootcamp ur joking ? :D just regular pub games maybe just massing them to get better shape ingame but nothing too serious (except the part about actually winning those games ) i remmember back in w3 days some guy did 109 games winstreak in 1 league so yeah its possible just need right players and right mindset i could have made much more than 27 but i went to play with my rl noob friends instead of stacking with veteran players
Well this is somewhat different in Dota 2 because of the matchmaking. When they started every game was an easy win. But the last ten games or so the only thing that would match them was another pro-player stack. It looks like a lot of of the American pro players play each other in pub games regularly, but not like this. This was 3 days of almost non-stop dota, back-to-back games 12 hours straight. That's what I meant by boot-camp type situation. Although only March and Universe played the whole thing. Maybe they were just going for a record win streak for themselves and pulled in whatever pro friends were online. This would have been during the New Years break so they would not have anything else.
Btw VaiKiss. Since you have done a very high level stack - How likely is it that you would run into another 5 man very high skilled team that had a real chance of beating you? Were some of those games hard or were all walkovers? Is the system able to give you matches against more difficult teams as your stack wins more?
Lol relentless all of those people stack 24/7. Purely solo queue win rate above 54-55% isn't possible at all, so that's a good indicator. Merlini/universe/fear don't play a single game without a 4-5 man stack etc that's why you have them on such streaks
I don't know if this applies or not but w/e.
I queue in Very High MM when I queue solo or sometimes when I stack with other people in Very High. However, the majority of the time I am playing with my RL friends and drop into High and sometimes into Normal. I in no way win huge streaks of games so I highly doubt this is the case. I only have a 51% win rate but DBR put me at 99%. I have over 1 thousand games played so I'm pretty sure the more you play, the better you get, the higher rating you are.
Swiftending you are mistaken. These are actual pro players and they really are good enough to beat a typical Very High team 60+ % of the time. Watch some of Liquid.TC pub games and you will learn. He will out lane any opponent, even other pros every game. People in Very High will dual lane against him solo he will still FB double kill them by himself many games. Some players really are that good. Very few, but they do exist. Universe does stack about every game. Merlini much less. Idk about Fear.
You really don't know what you're talking about, do you? ''Merlini much less'' when every game on his stream is a 5 man stack, lol. Solo queue people CAN'T have over 55% win, no matter how good they are, due to Valve MM creating imbalanced games to put them down to 50%. Everything over 55% win = sure stacks. Or you think TC is the epitome of skill and has 20% win over Dendi because he's better? Go check a couple of games before the privacy change, you'll see any of them playing with same people 5 games in a row, then with other people another 5 games etc. Comp players' friend lists are full and they always have somebody to stack with instead of solo queue, too bad dotabuff shows only the last month, but it's crystal clear that 90% of those games are in stacks.
Wow, same as dotacash...no one can be better than me attitude prevails. Pro player are not good they only stack...at least you can't claim the best players maphack like everyone used to tell me. "that guy can't be that amazing he must maphack".
I actually watch these games. I can see the vast difference in skill. I don't care about the fact that YOU can't get over 55% without stacking. I don't care about the fact that YOU can't tell what is a stack and what is not. I can tell the difference. I can watch a pub game and see from play who has real talent and who does not. I can see who is really making a good decision and who is not. I don't care if you can't see it. If you don't think TC is an incredible player it only proves you have crap judgement. Is he better than Dendi? Yes. Dendi is extremely good, a top pro player, but still TC is significantly better. Navi teamwork is far better than Liquid at this point but Navi is a less talented team. They win based on experience and communication but often lose their lanes early in pro games. Puppey will claim they were drunk, but the fact is plenty of pro teams have players that are simply faster and have better control of their heroes than Navi. Dendi is Navi most talented player but he is not as good as players like Ferrari, Loda, TC, Super, Jeyo, even Black(much improved decision making lately).
Merlini carries his "stack" much the way you would carry your Silver level friends. Or maybe if you can't judge play you could just look at numbers. 1464 games and no more than 44 with the same friend. Merlini's top 5 brings it down to 29 games. oh wow how much he stacks!!! I mean those 0.3% of his games-that must totally be why he wins almost 70% win. Just because you can't do it...that does not make it impossible...again at least now I wont hear crap about how the best players maphack as the excuse.
Matchmaking can't make matches for the best players in the world most games because a player of comparable skill is not available. I bet you don't think Murs is better than you either. He is. Deal with it. Just as Vaikiss far better than me, Murs is far better than him and you...unless you are secretely Dendi in which case it is a close call. Murs and Dendi have about the same level of skill. Dendi has far more experience, but Murs could be as good as Dendi with more practice. But TC...he is a 1 in ten million player like Lebron James. Other pro players wish they could be on TC level but they can't. Even Liquid captain Fluffandstuff said as much in an interview. They envy TC insane level of talent.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH how can you be this big of an imbecile, tell me? Murs and Dendi same level of skill? :DD A pubstomper same level of skill as a guy who plays comp dota for 5 years? What's next, wisp spammer is the best player in the world? Jeyo > Dendi? TC the Lebron James of dota? Ahahah good god, there's no help for you. So following that logic, I'm better than Dendi and SingSing and at the same skill level as Mushi and H4nn1? OH SHIT SON, I better search for a sponsor right about now!
Btw for the blind, you see there where it says FRIENDS, in a bit smaller font, readable by people who aren't blind, it says THIS MONTH. Does that tell you anything? Tell me, does ''THIS MONTH'' in a capital font tell you anything before you go on a drooling spree saying how Merlini only has 44 games with that guy. Too bad dotaholic is down, since dotabuff doesn't show you lifetime stats with friends, not to mention dotabuff friends don't update regularly. If you actually checked dotaholic while it worked, you could easily see all of them had 65%+ of their games in 3-5 man stacks. Stop talking out of your ass reto. Show me ONE GUY that has 60% win in solo queue, and I'll be disproving that very easily.
Yeah sure Merlini is not good only stacks, Murs is not as good as pro-players despite actually beating them in lane head to head many times, who is TC...its like being sure the Charles Barkley is a pro but knowing who Kobi Bryant is...this conversation is not worth continuing.
I realize Dendi is the probably the only pro player you really know...SingSing is not comparable to Dendi, closer to Vaikiss skill level, SingSing is a slightly better than a typical Very High. H4nn1 and Mushi are comparable to Dendi...and Murs, all noticeably above the average pro player skillwise. I'm sry you can't tell the difference between friends and stacks. If you don't want to learn what's the point. Keep thinking there is no one good enough to be significantly better than you and never improve you must already be the best dota player that can exist.
If you want to take your stack against Murs just go ask him. I don't even know the guy other than playing a dozen or so games with/against him in dotacash T2. I just picked him because I know you have seen him at the top of dotabuff stats and will recognize the name.
Okay, so, back to topic. I am a new dota 2 player (and new to any games like this), so I picked the ultimate beginner option. Games obviously started easy (for which I am glad, because I had absolutely no idea of what the hell I was doing) but quickly progressed to beyond my skill level.
I always play with friends, some of which are even lower skilled and some which are higher. The higher skilled players are obviously more active, and most games tend to be with them. The low ones started at the same time as me but have hardly played any games so I rarely get to play with them. This leads to a little bit annoying situation where I almost never meet any players that I can tell are worse than me. I wouldn't mind teammates being poor, because at least then I won't feel guilt if I mess up :)
I think I am pretty consistently in the high bracket now, unless there is a really low mmr friend in the group in which case the game is Normal for all of us - even the VH players - or very rarely VH with 1 or more friends. My rating is obviously less than VH because they regularly play there, but with me I only occasionally get drafted into a VH game. Since it took me 100+ games from beginner state to get into the higher bracket, I don't think account age has anything to do with moving brackets.
Finally, I did play on a friend's account once (very low mmr) and the difference in opponent quality was night and day, so I would say the mmr thing prolly works out pretty accurately.
From what I have seen here is that I should make a new account and see how well I do with it, since my 700+ account isn't going to go anywhere, even if I play like a young god.
Some people talk about that 2000 number that goes up and down. Wtf? There is no way you can check that. Give me a credible source or this bullshit will stay a myth.
You get MMR +/- based on your team's MMR vs. the team you are facing. The MM system tries to balance MMR team total. If your team's total MMR is 10,000 and the other teams MMR is 9,500. Your team has the advantage and if you win you'll get less points then if they win. If you lose because you have the advantage you'll lose even more points because you where expected to win.
That's how most skill based systems work.
So if you want to raise your MMR DO NOT QUEUE pubs solo! Go with a team of 3-5 players and dominate and you'll quickly raise your MMR to the point your team reaches a challenge and balance out.
MMR's are designed for 50% Average Win Rates and why you are penalized high when you lose a game you are favored to win.
dota 2 simply tries to keep you roughly at a 50% win rate. If you are doing well for several games in a row it will match make you into a game with players who have a higher skill level. The easiest way to get into high or very high brackets is too go on a winning streak. This is the best proven way I have seen. If you are in normal bracket and you get a win streak of something like 8 or 9 then you should get a high bracket game. If you are in high bracket and you get something like a 15 win streak you will get jumped up to very high bracket. It is however more difficult trying to stay in these brackets. I was high bracket from pretty much my first game but even now I have not had one very high bracket game. Dota 2 matchmaking always fucking me over lol
I'm not sure if streaks is what is important, or number of wins vs loses.
I think it's more like "You win a game, get X points; you lose the game, lose Y points. If you have over Z points, when queue solo you should be matched in high bracket".
I don't know whether to make a new account, or continue playing with this account. I've been playing dota for so long, and I decided to play dota 2 a few months ago. But after playing, I'm kinda sick of this pool thing, as I believe I'm in the Normal pool (getting paired up with some really stupid dickheads.) Now, I can't be stuffed playing because my friends are always on at different times, and still we still get paired up with some dickheads.
well, you got 37% winrate. if you feel so, do the solo mid role. if you are good you dont have to rely on someone else and if youre good enough you can carry the game.
Anders what is happening to you is that you are winning games with your friends, getting a relatively high MMR...then playing alone and can't play well enough to deserve that rating as a solo player so you lose a lot of games. Since coordination is by far the most important factor in dota...if you want to play solo games try to focus on communicating with the team. All your friends are also losing when they play alone so its not like one of them is carrying the rest of you. Its just the teamwork factor. Everyone you play with will make plenty of mistakes. Try to overlook your teams mistakes and get them to help each other even if you don't know them.
easy way to get into high bracket is to stack with 5 decent players from new account, if not, solo, you need a good amount of skills to get up the bracket. i would usually use carry/mid hero to go up the bracket, another thing i realise is that there is also some kind of calculation of your performance in-game. if you use a hero such as QoP well, the match will be counted as very high and you'll move on in the bracket so on and so for, until you reach a certain number of games ~100 , you wont find decent teammates/opponents
Its not about how u play, its about the average MMR of the players, dont spread false informations pls, its not the way u play, not the KDA, or the winrates of the players, its ONLY about the hidden MMR of the players
Getting into high bracket is easy but getting into very high is a lot more difficult. When u get macthed with and against better and better players all the time u will reach the point when u solo carrying ur team to vinctory becomes very hard to do. Even with decent players it's not easy since Dota is a team game. So it's not uncommon at all to get stuck with ppl some what worse than u. It's not like u would pick that qop/what ever solo mid semi-carry in every game so often u are in a role that requires u to lean on ur team more (carry/support).
Playing -ap almost every game may also affect ur mmr. Ap is just not balanced game mode it's more casual. And since it's more casual a lot of ppl random or go for dual lanes since it's nothing serous or just pick the hero they want to play no matter what's the situation. If ur opponents wait for ur team to pick first and then counterpick or just happen to random a lot better heroes or decide to go with trilane and strong solo hard or just instapick 4 really strong heroes and wait with the last one u are in trouble right from the start. This is just because of the nature of the game mode. Talking about accurate mmr when mostly playing imbalanced game mode feels a bit contradictory to me.
There's also the factor that great teamwork can offset lack of skill and great skill can offset lack of teamwork. There are so many things that factor the success that it's impossible to create perfectly balanced mm system. I'm often pissed at valve for putting me in team with bad players but since I can't imagine a way to create balanced mm system I'm gonna take what I can and be happy with it.
@Mapz0r who says so? it is definitely calculated, i have tried with a few smurfs, and using a hero that im good at = QoP, the fastest i ever get to Very High games was in 5~6 games, and i had kills like 1x~2x and a few deaths, even none, other heroes take about 10+ games before i get into Very High bracket and it goes like 3 game normal, 8 game high then very high so on so for
Well it's TSR based system. In game stats are not used for MMR, just strength of schedule.
Also when you make a new account it will take a few more games if you start your rating as beginner than if you start as expert. I think its roughly something like 5 wins/losses in a row to switch brackets. This stays pretty much the same no matter how many games you have on the account. I normally play in High, but if I get a big win streak up it will go into Very High. I can't stay in Very High however without a nice stack. One or two losses will drop me back into High.
click on my ID please.. High Bracket depends on your skill. If you are GOLD member, it will (MatchMaking)MM with GOLD member bracket. As we know, all the LIVE GAME (TOP GAME (page 1)) all of them have DIAMOND rank which is (1900 and above rating)
If u thought u are good, but u get NOOB teammate (THen, u are SUX same as ur teammate) You need to accept it..
Some one who belongs to very high can get there if he starts a new account
But if he starts playing on a 100 games played account he'll have a hard time getting that account to very high.
orly ? i bet 100$ that i would get into very high within 5 games with any account
I doubt 5 games, but probably 15. Maybe 10 if you won all ten. I can take some bad account and win 5 in a row and get to High. But I can't win 5 more in a row in High and get to Very High because I'm not quite good enough to be in Very High consistently. You have a win streak of 14, that is very hard to do if you are not really a top 2% or better player. The MMR does move pretty fast in you win a long streak of games - they get much harder after 4 or 5 wins in a row.
ok then, start a new account, ruin 100 games and lose. then make it to very high in 5 games. put screens and come get your 100$
I think that matchmaking doesn't just take skill level into account, as I queued into high queue within two or three games on this account, but i still regularly play with retards. But I seem to play against better players on my main account, which is only in mid-high queue, but on this one, I only play in high queue.
Why offer a challenge no one would even consider? 100 games + for $100 is $2/hour of work at best. If you really wanted to bet on it. Just have him start with a "beginner" account and have someones little brother lose the first 5. That's plenty to get it down to the very lowest MMR. Or if you are argueing for the "Momentum" thing give him a well established Bronze account. I easily move between High and Normal in just a few games of playing my best heroes going up or my worst going down. And this name has over 900 games so I'm sure there is no difference in how flexible your MMR can be despite having lots of games.
One factor that may be important however is the Battle Bonus item. It may move your MMR faster in addition to giving you "levels" faster. Have not tested that - just guessing. Has anyone tried it?
I have been in normal/high and now I am in VH. There are several ways to go there from my experience. First: You are very good at a certain role - solo mid (own mid game 90% of the games), carry (get a big item every 12-15 min even under pressure), support (own/gank early 90% of the games, doesn't die and have a strategic thinking of what sup items the team needs to win) etc.
Second: You are decent with almost all (viable) heroes. Then you need to pick wisely. Try to understand what the other team will be good at and how they will win and counter it. If they are imba pushers - take kotl, if your team's carry doesn't have a chance against the other team's carry late game - don't pick support - pick mid game, so you can pressure the enemy, so you carry can at least outfarm the enemy's. Etc etc. Dota is a fun brain game - play it.
So I got interested in win streaks as a measure since a long win streak is really what gets you into Very High. And presumably each game longer in the win streak would be harder. I have 7 games, which is enough to get to High consistently but not Very High. Vaikiss'742 is a consistent Very High player and has a 14 game win streak. I know Murs is extremely talented and he had a 26 game win streak on his 83% win account, 17 win streak on his main non-tryhard account. Comparing to a few actual pro players...
Win streak
43 dignitas.Universedota
32 DK.BurNIng
30 EG.Jeyo [RC]
25 Merlini
22 Liquid`TC
22 LGD.1437.int
21 dignitas.Aui_2000
19 FnaticRC.H4nn1
18 EG.Fear [RC]
18 Na`Vi.Puppey
18 EG.Maelk [RC]
16 Na`Vi.LighTofHeaveN
16 FnaticRC.N0tail
16 3DMAX.Razer Ace
16 dignitas.Sneyking
16 mouz FATA-
15 LGD.Pajkatt.int
15 EG.DeMoN [RC]
15 SexyBamboe
14 LGD.Brax.int
13 EG.Bdiz [RC]
13 3DMAX.Razer.NoiA
13 dignitas.Fogged
12 iG.ChuaN
12 nth | AdmiralBulldog
I think its clear that if you can get much more than 12 wins in a row with solo queing you can get as high an MMR as is possible. Beyond that its not going to be too relevant since there will not usually be players good enough to match against you. I'm not surprised to see Burning, TC, Jeyo, and Merlini at the top of this list but I think Universe must have been stacking to get that 43 wins streak. He has not impressed me as being that amazing. Also if you are a consistent "Very High" player you will be facing actual pros in your games, some on main accounts and some on aliases.
Of course there is a huge difference between what an individual pro-level player can do and what a pro team can do. But it looks like most of these guys played solo que most of their games.
So I started out playing DOta with literally no idea about moba games at all. Didn't read guides, didn't do any homework at all...bad idea. What's a last hit please? Kinda level. Naturally I was shocking and ruined a fair few games for my poor teamates.
Then I decided I liked this weird little game and did some research and read some guides and became knowledgeable enough to become somewhat of a useful member of a team of low skilled noobs...ish.
Anyway, my point is this. I managed to get like an 8 win streak and have had a few in that region over time, I now have over a 50% win ratio from like 300+ games, mainly from solo queue.
Every game I've ever played has been in normal. I really don't think I'm a 'high' kinda guy yet as I still do stupid things and stand in stupid places and don't look at the mini map enough and all sorts of other things making me poo, but I'm getting there slowly.
I'm going to start a new account and see what happens. Maybe play Drow for 10 games in a row and see where it takes me.
Anyway, will post again with the results.
(INB4 I get destroyed over and over again)
it depends who u stack with
if u play with amatuers like i do its really hard to keep winrate high and stable
if play with pro players then its quite easy to win multiple games in a row i have alt account which has 27 wins in a row (purely played with my team only)
http://dotabuff.com/players/60436138 as u can see first 27 games (all played with ppls who have 1000's of games (average enemy game amount 1300) (average my team game amount 1000~)
as long as u have team who knows what are they doing and ur playing to win u can win hundreds of games w/o losing unless u get matched against same stack who does that even better
I checked it out. Universe super long win streak is all stacks with March (regular pro standin) and at least one other pro-player on their team (usually members of EG and Dignitas). This all took 3 days. It was probably part of some boot-camp type practice thing.
Some of their games were victories over other multiple pro-player stacks near the end however, which seems fairly legit.
public games bootcamp ur joking ? :D just regular pub games maybe just massing them to get better shape ingame but nothing too serious (except the part about actually winning those games ) i remmember back in w3 days some guy did 109 games winstreak in 1 league so yeah its possible just need right players and right mindset i could have made much more than 27 but i went to play with my rl noob friends instead of stacking with veteran players
Well this is somewhat different in Dota 2 because of the matchmaking. When they started every game was an easy win. But the last ten games or so the only thing that would match them was another pro-player stack. It looks like a lot of of the American pro players play each other in pub games regularly, but not like this. This was 3 days of almost non-stop dota, back-to-back games 12 hours straight. That's what I meant by boot-camp type situation. Although only March and Universe played the whole thing. Maybe they were just going for a record win streak for themselves and pulled in whatever pro friends were online. This would have been during the New Years break so they would not have anything else.
Btw VaiKiss. Since you have done a very high level stack - How likely is it that you would run into another 5 man very high skilled team that had a real chance of beating you? Were some of those games hard or were all walkovers? Is the system able to give you matches against more difficult teams as your stack wins more?
on ap pubs picks matters
and yes u get matched vs other stacks alot lately they changed something with mm
Lol relentless all of those people stack 24/7. Purely solo queue win rate above 54-55% isn't possible at all, so that's a good indicator. Merlini/universe/fear don't play a single game without a 4-5 man stack etc that's why you have them on such streaks
I don't know if this applies or not but w/e.
I queue in Very High MM when I queue solo or sometimes when I stack with other people in Very High. However, the majority of the time I am playing with my RL friends and drop into High and sometimes into Normal. I in no way win huge streaks of games so I highly doubt this is the case. I only have a 51% win rate but DBR put me at 99%. I have over 1 thousand games played so I'm pretty sure the more you play, the better you get, the higher rating you are.
Swiftending you are mistaken. These are actual pro players and they really are good enough to beat a typical Very High team 60+ % of the time. Watch some of Liquid.TC pub games and you will learn. He will out lane any opponent, even other pros every game. People in Very High will dual lane against him solo he will still FB double kill them by himself many games. Some players really are that good. Very few, but they do exist. Universe does stack about every game. Merlini much less. Idk about Fear.
You really don't know what you're talking about, do you? ''Merlini much less'' when every game on his stream is a 5 man stack, lol. Solo queue people CAN'T have over 55% win, no matter how good they are, due to Valve MM creating imbalanced games to put them down to 50%. Everything over 55% win = sure stacks. Or you think TC is the epitome of skill and has 20% win over Dendi because he's better? Go check a couple of games before the privacy change, you'll see any of them playing with same people 5 games in a row, then with other people another 5 games etc. Comp players' friend lists are full and they always have somebody to stack with instead of solo queue, too bad dotabuff shows only the last month, but it's crystal clear that 90% of those games are in stacks.
^^ what he said
Wow, same as dotacash...no one can be better than me attitude prevails. Pro player are not good they only stack...at least you can't claim the best players maphack like everyone used to tell me. "that guy can't be that amazing he must maphack".
I actually watch these games. I can see the vast difference in skill. I don't care about the fact that YOU can't get over 55% without stacking. I don't care about the fact that YOU can't tell what is a stack and what is not. I can tell the difference. I can watch a pub game and see from play who has real talent and who does not. I can see who is really making a good decision and who is not. I don't care if you can't see it. If you don't think TC is an incredible player it only proves you have crap judgement. Is he better than Dendi? Yes. Dendi is extremely good, a top pro player, but still TC is significantly better. Navi teamwork is far better than Liquid at this point but Navi is a less talented team. They win based on experience and communication but often lose their lanes early in pro games. Puppey will claim they were drunk, but the fact is plenty of pro teams have players that are simply faster and have better control of their heroes than Navi. Dendi is Navi most talented player but he is not as good as players like Ferrari, Loda, TC, Super, Jeyo, even Black(much improved decision making lately).
Merlini carries his "stack" much the way you would carry your Silver level friends. Or maybe if you can't judge play you could just look at numbers. 1464 games and no more than 44 with the same friend. Merlini's top 5 brings it down to 29 games. oh wow how much he stacks!!! I mean those 0.3% of his games-that must totally be why he wins almost 70% win. Just because you can't do it...that does not make it impossible...again at least now I wont hear crap about how the best players maphack as the excuse.
Matchmaking can't make matches for the best players in the world most games because a player of comparable skill is not available. I bet you don't think Murs is better than you either. He is. Deal with it. Just as Vaikiss far better than me, Murs is far better than him and you...unless you are secretely Dendi in which case it is a close call. Murs and Dendi have about the same level of skill. Dendi has far more experience, but Murs could be as good as Dendi with more practice. But TC...he is a 1 in ten million player like Lebron James. Other pro players wish they could be on TC level but they can't. Even Liquid captain Fluffandstuff said as much in an interview. They envy TC insane level of talent.
who is tc btw ?
no more than 44 with same friend maybe becouse friend list games bugged for like 2+++ months on dotabuff already ?
murs is better than me ? why dont u arrange me some matches vs him and well see about that ?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH how can you be this big of an imbecile, tell me? Murs and Dendi same level of skill? :DD A pubstomper same level of skill as a guy who plays comp dota for 5 years? What's next, wisp spammer is the best player in the world? Jeyo > Dendi? TC the Lebron James of dota? Ahahah good god, there's no help for you. So following that logic, I'm better than Dendi and SingSing and at the same skill level as Mushi and H4nn1? OH SHIT SON, I better search for a sponsor right about now!
Btw for the blind, you see there where it says FRIENDS, in a bit smaller font, readable by people who aren't blind, it says THIS MONTH. Does that tell you anything? Tell me, does ''THIS MONTH'' in a capital font tell you anything before you go on a drooling spree saying how Merlini only has 44 games with that guy. Too bad dotaholic is down, since dotabuff doesn't show you lifetime stats with friends, not to mention dotabuff friends don't update regularly. If you actually checked dotaholic while it worked, you could easily see all of them had 65%+ of their games in 3-5 man stacks. Stop talking out of your ass reto. Show me ONE GUY that has 60% win in solo queue, and I'll be disproving that very easily.
Stop talking out of your ass
Yeah sure Merlini is not good only stacks, Murs is not as good as pro-players despite actually beating them in lane head to head many times, who is TC...its like being sure the Charles Barkley is a pro but knowing who Kobi Bryant is...this conversation is not worth continuing.
I realize Dendi is the probably the only pro player you really know...SingSing is not comparable to Dendi, closer to Vaikiss skill level, SingSing is a slightly better than a typical Very High. H4nn1 and Mushi are comparable to Dendi...and Murs, all noticeably above the average pro player skillwise. I'm sry you can't tell the difference between friends and stacks. If you don't want to learn what's the point. Keep thinking there is no one good enough to be significantly better than you and never improve you must already be the best dota player that can exist.
If you want to take your stack against Murs just go ask him. I don't even know the guy other than playing a dozen or so games with/against him in dotacash T2. I just picked him because I know you have seen him at the top of dotabuff stats and will recognize the name.
Wanna get better? Realize you suck, and try to learn instead of thinking your better than 99% of the community
going from 10 winning streak to 9 loss streak atm...feels good
lol, I once played a five minites game, and all left after one guys was offline, and this is the single game of mine, that was rated as "very high".
Moon Meander
Wanna get better? Realize you suck, and try to learn instead of thinking your better than 99% of the community
This.
so who wanna stack with me?
currently in south america so im only playing US east
btw vaikiss742XXX what was your other nick in dotalicious?
Okay, so, back to topic. I am a new dota 2 player (and new to any games like this), so I picked the ultimate beginner option. Games obviously started easy (for which I am glad, because I had absolutely no idea of what the hell I was doing) but quickly progressed to beyond my skill level.
I always play with friends, some of which are even lower skilled and some which are higher. The higher skilled players are obviously more active, and most games tend to be with them. The low ones started at the same time as me but have hardly played any games so I rarely get to play with them. This leads to a little bit annoying situation where I almost never meet any players that I can tell are worse than me. I wouldn't mind teammates being poor, because at least then I won't feel guilt if I mess up :)
I think I am pretty consistently in the high bracket now, unless there is a really low mmr friend in the group in which case the game is Normal for all of us - even the VH players - or very rarely VH with 1 or more friends. My rating is obviously less than VH because they regularly play there, but with me I only occasionally get drafted into a VH game. Since it took me 100+ games from beginner state to get into the higher bracket, I don't think account age has anything to do with moving brackets.
Finally, I did play on a friend's account once (very low mmr) and the difference in opponent quality was night and day, so I would say the mmr thing prolly works out pretty accurately.
From what I have seen here is that I should make a new account and see how well I do with it, since my 700+ account isn't going to go anywhere, even if I play like a young god.
Some people talk about that 2000 number that goes up and down. Wtf? There is no way you can check that. Give me a credible source or this bullshit will stay a myth.
edit: *700+ games
You get MMR +/- based on your team's MMR vs. the team you are facing. The MM system tries to balance MMR team total. If your team's total MMR is 10,000 and the other teams MMR is 9,500. Your team has the advantage and if you win you'll get less points then if they win. If you lose because you have the advantage you'll lose even more points because you where expected to win.
That's how most skill based systems work.
So if you want to raise your MMR DO NOT QUEUE pubs solo! Go with a team of 3-5 players and dominate and you'll quickly raise your MMR to the point your team reaches a challenge and balance out.
MMR's are designed for 50% Average Win Rates and why you are penalized high when you lose a game you are favored to win.
valve's mm :
u get paired with a bunch of retards, the enemies are godly good
u get paired with a bunch of pros, the enemies are brain dead retards.
go figure. it's the truth, there's no point writing walls of texts. my summary busts the entire myth.
prove me wrong
^^ very true.
dota 2 simply tries to keep you roughly at a 50% win rate. If you are doing well for several games in a row it will match make you into a game with players who have a higher skill level. The easiest way to get into high or very high brackets is too go on a winning streak. This is the best proven way I have seen. If you are in normal bracket and you get a win streak of something like 8 or 9 then you should get a high bracket game. If you are in high bracket and you get something like a 15 win streak you will get jumped up to very high bracket. It is however more difficult trying to stay in these brackets. I was high bracket from pretty much my first game but even now I have not had one very high bracket game. Dota 2 matchmaking always fucking me over lol
true story........
I'm not sure if streaks is what is important, or number of wins vs loses.
I think it's more like "You win a game, get X points; you lose the game, lose Y points. If you have over Z points, when queue solo you should be matched in high bracket".
http://dotabuff.com/players/104689959
I don't know whether to make a new account, or continue playing with this account. I've been playing dota for so long, and I decided to play dota 2 a few months ago. But after playing, I'm kinda sick of this pool thing, as I believe I'm in the Normal pool (getting paired up with some really stupid dickheads.) Now, I can't be stuffed playing because my friends are always on at different times, and still we still get paired up with some dickheads.
well, you got 37% winrate. if you feel so, do the solo mid role. if you are good you dont have to rely on someone else and if youre good enough you can carry the game.
fair enough
Anders what is happening to you is that you are winning games with your friends, getting a relatively high MMR...then playing alone and can't play well enough to deserve that rating as a solo player so you lose a lot of games. Since coordination is by far the most important factor in dota...if you want to play solo games try to focus on communicating with the team. All your friends are also losing when they play alone so its not like one of them is carrying the rest of you. Its just the teamwork factor. Everyone you play with will make plenty of mistakes. Try to overlook your teams mistakes and get them to help each other even if you don't know them.
easy way to get into high bracket is to stack with 5 decent players from new account, if not, solo, you need a good amount of skills to get up the bracket. i would usually use carry/mid hero to go up the bracket, another thing i realise is that there is also some kind of calculation of your performance in-game. if you use a hero such as QoP well, the match will be counted as very high and you'll move on in the bracket so on and so for, until you reach a certain number of games ~100 , you wont find decent teammates/opponents
Its not about how u play, its about the average MMR of the players, dont spread false informations pls, its not the way u play, not the KDA, or the winrates of the players, its ONLY about the hidden MMR of the players
go to dev dota 2 and read ranaki`s posts u can get into very high bracket without winning a single game just by having high kda/gpm/xpm
Getting into high bracket is easy but getting into very high is a lot more difficult. When u get macthed with and against better and better players all the time u will reach the point when u solo carrying ur team to vinctory becomes very hard to do. Even with decent players it's not easy since Dota is a team game. So it's not uncommon at all to get stuck with ppl some what worse than u. It's not like u would pick that qop/what ever solo mid semi-carry in every game so often u are in a role that requires u to lean on ur team more (carry/support).
Playing -ap almost every game may also affect ur mmr. Ap is just not balanced game mode it's more casual. And since it's more casual a lot of ppl random or go for dual lanes since it's nothing serous or just pick the hero they want to play no matter what's the situation. If ur opponents wait for ur team to pick first and then counterpick or just happen to random a lot better heroes or decide to go with trilane and strong solo hard or just instapick 4 really strong heroes and wait with the last one u are in trouble right from the start. This is just because of the nature of the game mode. Talking about accurate mmr when mostly playing imbalanced game mode feels a bit contradictory to me.
There's also the factor that great teamwork can offset lack of skill and great skill can offset lack of teamwork. There are so many things that factor the success that it's impossible to create perfectly balanced mm system. I'm often pissed at valve for putting me in team with bad players but since I can't imagine a way to create balanced mm system I'm gonna take what I can and be happy with it.
@Mapz0r who says so? it is definitely calculated, i have tried with a few smurfs, and using a hero that im good at = QoP, the fastest i ever get to Very High games was in 5~6 games, and i had kills like 1x~2x and a few deaths, even none, other heroes take about 10+ games before i get into Very High bracket and it goes like 3 game normal, 8 game high then very high so on so for
Well it's TSR based system. In game stats are not used for MMR, just strength of schedule.
Also when you make a new account it will take a few more games if you start your rating as beginner than if you start as expert. I think its roughly something like 5 wins/losses in a row to switch brackets. This stays pretty much the same no matter how many games you have on the account. I normally play in High, but if I get a big win streak up it will go into Very High. I can't stay in Very High however without a nice stack. One or two losses will drop me back into High.
click on my ID please.. High Bracket depends on your skill. If you are GOLD member, it will (MatchMaking)MM with GOLD member bracket. As we know, all the LIVE GAME (TOP GAME (page 1)) all of them have DIAMOND rank which is (1900 and above rating)
If u thought u are good, but u get NOOB teammate (THen, u are SUX same as ur teammate) You need to accept it..
^ did you install dota 2 yesterday?